awakened gives up 2 vulaks

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Naggy scenario is completely different. We were about to pull Naggy when a guild member who was not on our raid or in mumble logged in his cleric to check ragefire and got FTE. Our leadership made a mistake by killing Naggy, even though that player wasn't even a part of our kill force, and we payed for it.

Now let's consider the last Vulak, Hijal jumped the line and got a Vulak FTE for a foot race. No one on our side knew this happened other than the Detoxx spam concede messages that happen on every Vulak (since we've had like what the last 10 Vulaks?). For you to say a guild should be suspended over that is laughable. If you really want a foot race jumpstart to count as tracker fte with a suspension you're insane. Wake up.

Fraps was delivered well before the pull. Thats the difference in all these events you're trying to claim we did the same thing. You're officers saw a fraps of you cheating, ignored it and killed it anyways.

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fraps was delivered well before the pull. Thats the difference in all these events you're trying to claim we did the same thing. You're officers saw a fraps of you cheating, ignored it and killed it anyways.

Honestly at this point who gives a shit? Why don't you choose to be the better man and tell them you enjoy competition and only want 1 Vulak. That will probably set the precedent for the future and maybe on your next fuckup, there won't be any suspensions and you can just play the game. I wouldn't want a bunch of free mobs anyway for a handful of people's mistakes.

It when you guys get in this "maximum suspension to benefit as much as possible" mindset(both guilds not just AM) it turns into this shit.

[Teako]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly at this point who gives a shit? Why don't you choose to be the better man and tell them you enjoy competition and only want 1 Vulak. That will probably set the precedent for the future and maybe on your next fuckup, there won't be any suspensions and you can just play the game. I wouldn't want a bunch of free mobs anyway for a handful of people's mistakes.

It when you guys get in this "maximum suspension to benefit as much as possible" mindset(both guilds not just AM) it turns into this shit.

Because the precedent you're promoting is a much more dangerous one --- Break the ever living fuck out of every single established raid rule by camping FTErs on Vulak's spawn.. log in on spawn, get a guaranteed 33%-50% of Vulak spawns, concede the next 1-2 and ruin the raid scene entirely. Suddenly there's no more competition, or racing.. Just guilds trying to get the first tracker FTE to guarantee a kill and concede the next one.

Without rules, and punishments for breaking those rules the raid scene will become far worse than current. The rule set at the moment works -- and the punishments are clear for breaking tracker FTE rules. It's not Detoxx, or AM pushing for "as much as possible" - it's the established punishment for the committed action.

You can't rob a bank, go home, count your money and spread it out.. Then when the FBI shows up go "oh, we didn't know. here, you can have 77% of the money back." - Not a chance.

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the precedent you're promoting is a much more dangerous one --- Break the ever living fuck out of every single established raid rule by camping FTErs on Vulak's spawn.. log in on spawn, get a guaranteed 33%-50% of Vulak spawns, concede the next 1-2 and ruin the raid scene entirely. Suddenly there's no more competition, or racing.. Just guilds trying to get the first tracker FTE to guarantee a kill and concede the next one.

Without rules, and punishments for breaking those rules the raid scene will become far worse than current. The rule set at the moment works -- and the punishments are clear for breaking tracker FTE rules. It's not Detoxx, or AM pushing for "as much as possible" - it's the established punishment for the committed action.

You can't rob a bank, go home, count your money and spread it out.. Then when the FBI shows up go "oh, we didn't know. here, you can have 77% of the money back." - Not a chance.

So if the top two guilds killed one conceded one, that would be 50/50 right? My point was to stop pushing for maximum punishments because the precedent is always different depending on what happened, how it happened, who was there.

The analogy was bad because right now if Vulak is the bank, that means AM/Awakened are the bank security/police officers and they report send in their evidence to the judge. If a bank officer was awarded $5000 for stopping a crime, how do you think our system would be? Bunch of false reports and alternate agendas? Check.

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't rob a bank, go home, count your money and spread it out.. Then when the FBI shows up go "oh, we didn't know. here, you can have 77% of the money back." - Not a chance.

Lol

[Kodim]

No one in Awakened knew, except all your runners you had that even the fraps shows.

Yep no one.

[BallzDeep]

The fraps shows you most people were probably like WTF? Why did he leave so early and questioning whether it was a lag delay, legitimate FTE or anything else. Quite trying to fit a mistake to your agenda.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fraps shows you most people were probably like WTF? Why did he leave so early and questioning whether it was a lag delay, legitimate FTE or anything else. Quite trying to fit a mistake to your agenda.

You aren't going to get a 4 second head starts on foot races for mobs like Vulak. Everything about racing on this server got min/maxed by great players in VP in Kunark. There would be no one questioning what he was doing until the point they kept seeing him go North. Everyone is either bind sight or watching a screen share. There is never a situation where 15 to 20 people lag at the same time and one person sees an early spawn unless those other 15 to 20 people are all AFK. Which no one is AFK if they are waiting on Vulak.

This is the time you all ask yourselves. IN BOTH GUILDS. Why are we doing this ? Just rotate the mobs already and make everyone happier and healthier.

[Naethyn]

I agree Gimp, I doubt anyone would try that as a legitimate tactic.

[BallzDeep]

Honestly I wasn't there so I don't know but in the cluster fuck of everything going on I'd say maybe 80-90% of the people there for both guilds didn't know what was happening. When someone head starts a few seconds ahead of you and the mob actually spawns you start to question...WTF, how did he get ahead or know it was going to spawn? Some point straight to cheating right off the bat, some think desync/lag issues, some know what happened.

If you didn't directly watch it happen, you probably didn't know what to believe because people were probably spamming "Your cheating, your using showEQ, etc." If I wasn't directly watching and I was spamming with all those tells I'd say shut the fuck up and let's kill it and sort it out after.

I think the constant push for suspension to suit your agenda of free mobs is stupid though. You only see one guild here constantly complaining. Guess who it is.