In regards to monopolizing a spawn

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm, that's exactly what Verant did, forced people to share so you actually can. That website is pretty good. Looked at a few links and found a bunch of stuff that is different on this server. Apparantly staff of temp and rod of insidious glamour got changed to cast time? Not sure if they here, wiki says not but might be outdated. Click on site map link, has a couple of years of dev posts pulled from sony.

Saying they did it and actually doing it aren't the same. The only way EQ has ever prevented other players from being jerks to one another is to change content and design new content that made it hard or impossible to do it.

There was rare enforcement of policies resulting in some hard core offenders getting slapped, which already happens here. In fact, I feel look there is already much more enforcement here than there was on live.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying they did it and actually doing it aren't the same. The only way EQ has ever prevented other players from being jerks to one another is to change content and design new content that made it hard or impossible to do it.

There was rare enforcement of policies resulting in some hard core offenders getting slapped, which already happens here. In fact, I feel look there is already much more enforcement here than there was on live.

You're kidding right? Whens the last time someone kill stole a mob you were camping? Happens very very rarely at least from 1 to 50. I'have never had a mob outright stolen. Why? Because there are already rules in regards to kill stealing that "prevent players being jerks". There are already a number of other rules on this server that are non-classic such as racing from zoneline, FTE messages, 1 hour grace periods that are all followed for the most part.

Given the above its pretty absurd to say players would have an inability to share spawns like they did on live. How difficult is that to understand if you've been at a camp for 24 hours and you have 3 loots on corpses and someone turns up its time to fucking leave or at least let them join you and roll on loot? Not very hard.

I think the crux of the matter is people like their 6 weeks of farming Hadden afk, or cockblocking the rest of the server in Fear and don't want to give that up. Its pretty pathetic given we're all likely old eq players and that'd put us in our late 30's and 40's. Time to grow up I think.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're kidding right? Whens the last time someone kill stole a mob you were camping? Happens very very rarely at least from 1 to 50. I'have never had a mob outright stolen. Why? Because there are already rules in regards to kill stealing that "prevent players being jerks". There are already a number of other rules on this server that are non-classic such as racing from zoneline, FTE messages, 1 hour grace periods that are all followed for the most part.

Given the above its pretty absurd to say players would have an inability to share spawns like they did on live. How difficult is that to understand if you've been at a camp for 24 hours and you have 3 loots on corpses and someone turns up its time to fucking leave or at least let them join you and roll on loot? Not very hard.

I think the crux of the matter is people like their 6 weeks of farming Hadden afk, or cockblocking the rest of the server in Fear and don't want to give that up. Its pretty pathetic given we're all likely old eq players and that'd put us in our late 30's and 40's. Time to grow up I think.

I've encountered this problem also. Watching dozens of corpses lined up with their LORE items and yet they still camp XYZ to fund the addiction. The saddest part is when you try to reason with these individuals, they can't see passed their own greedy interests. The one time I decided to wait, tried to be social (didn't work too well from his stand point) but the dude straight up lied to me and said, he didn't get his drop. Moments later, his buddy ports in, they duel, he makes another corpse and continues to camp the item "he didn't get".
I think I laughed for an hour or so, but hey.. some people just wanna be a thorn in your side. As many have said already; THIS is why we cant have nice things. Some will just try to eek out more for themselves in any way, shape or form that they can.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're kidding right? Whens the last time someone kill stole a mob you were camping? Happens very very rarely at least from 1 to 50. I'have never had a mob outright stolen. Why? Because there are already rules in regards to kill stealing that "prevent players being jerks". There are already a number of other rules on this server that are non-classic such as racing from zoneline, FTE messages, 1 hour grace periods that are all followed for the most part.

Given the above its pretty absurd to say players would have an inability to share spawns like they did on live. How difficult is that to understand if you've been at a camp for 24 hours and you have 3 loots on corpses and someone turns up its time to fucking leave or at least let them join you and roll on loot? Not very hard.

I think the crux of the matter is people like their 6 weeks of farming Hadden afk, or cockblocking the rest of the server in Fear and don't want to give that up. Its pretty pathetic given we're all likely old eq players and that'd put us in our late 30's and 40's. Time to grow up I think.

I'm not kidding. You can't force people to be nice by making a rule---it doesn't work.

The reason you haven't had the majority of your mobs stolen from you is because the majority of players are relatively normal decent folks and not jerks. The ones that enjoy being jerks will do it regardless of the rule...most of them will even do it regardless of suspension and ban and just re-roll.

The whole issue is moot. You posted an old dev post as evidence as to how people behaved (GMs and players) on live. That isn't evidence that the GMs actually successfully enforced play nice policies on live. The only thing that your post proves is that a dev made a post regarding a change in policy.

[fadetree]

Ikon: you are saying that they "did too implement a play nice policy", thinking apparently that fastboy21 is trying to say they didn't.
Fastboy21: you're saying "OK, fine, but that's not my point, my point is that it didn't work and it won't work here for the same reason", apparently thinking that Ikon is paying attention.
Dunno if you started out together and somebody switched points quickly after having been proven wrong, but you can't win an argument unless you have matching points. For what it's worth, I agree with Fastboy.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ikon: you are saying that they "did too implement a play nice policy", thinking apparently that fastboy21 is trying to say they didn't.
Fastboy21: you're saying "OK, fine, but that's not my point, my point is that it didn't work and it won't work here for the same reason", apparently thinking that Ikon is paying attention.
Dunno if you started out together and somebody switched points quickly after having been proven wrong, but you can't win an argument unless you have matching points. For what it's worth, I agree with Fastboy.

My point is this is a classic server designed to allow us to experience original everquest, not P1999 everquest. The original developers implemented a solution to permacamping / asshaterry. issues identical to those now facing this server. The solution was implemented. It was enforced. People clearly adhered to it.

I posted evidence. Fastboy posted his opinion. His opinion is irrelevant. My opinion is irrelevant. Your agreement is irrelevant.

The only relevant thing is evidence, which I have provided and others although furiously attempting to refute it, with strawmen and opinion, have not.

Thank you.

[maskedmelon]

My irrelevant opinion is that you are mad, OP.

Be happy (^○^)

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My irrelevant opinion is that you are mad, OP.

Be happy (^○^)

That is irrelevant as well as being incorrect.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is this is a classic server. The developers implemented a solution to permacamping / asshaterry to deal with issues. The solution was implemented. It was enforced. People clearly adhered to it.

I posted evidence. Fastboy posted his opinion. His opinion is irrelevant. My opinion is irrelevant. Your agreement is irrelevant.

The only relevant thing is evidence, which I have provided and others although furiously attempting to refute it, with strawmen and opinion, have not.

Thank you.

People don't make up their minds with trifles like "evidence" and "facts". Emotions lead the way. First you must get them to feel icky about whatever cause they so strongly believe in, then make your agenda feel like the obvious good choice that brings warm fuzzies to them, then you will be able to implement whichever policies you fancy.

For this lot, first you need to make them feel icky about putting their imaginary pixelworld persons first over the good of all the other imaginary pixelworld persons, maybe try to link anarchist tendencies to Hitler or Pedobear somehow.

Second, you must get them excited about playing nice and sharing the pixelworld peacefully. Tell them they will ascend to pixelheaven where 72 pixelvirgins await them when the server shuts down, but only if they rotate their pixels. Or, if they don't believe in a pixelheaven, well in that case, they're probably the sort that take trifles like facts and evidence into consideration and if your case is strong enough, you've won them already.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People don't make up their minds with trifles like "evidence" and "facts". Emotions lead the way. First you must get them to feel icky about whatever cause they so strongly believe in, then make your agenda feel like the obvious good choice that brings warm fuzzies to them, then you will be able to implement whichever policies you fancy.

For this lot, first you need to make them feel icky about putting their imaginary pixelworld persons first over the good of all the other imaginary pixelworld persons, maybe try to link anarchist tendencies to Hitler or Pedobear somehow.

Second, you must get them excited about playing nice and sharing the pixelworld peacefully. Tell them they will ascend to pixelheaven where 72 pixelvirgins await them when the server shuts down, but only if they rotate their pixels. Or, if they don't believe in a pixelheaven, well in that case, they're probably the sort that take trifles like facts and evidence into consideration and if your case is strong enough, you've won them already.

Yeah I realise that. I have children too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]