Is the fun slippping away?

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 is Nilbog's server, Rogean is the project manager of that server.

This isn't the communities server. Get over it.
No other EQ EMU non-custom server has succeeded the way P99 has.

The only valid argument for the fun leaving is there is nothing to progress for. Server firsts have been claimed and that's that. A new server starting from classic day 1 would change that, Until those server firsts have been claimed.

There is a reason old mmo's like EQ and UO still make new expansions and somehow stay afloat to keep the main servers online. If they didn't people would get bored and leave.
I have first hand experience of an era based uo private server that is losing players because it's a pure-era based server with no custom content and nothing to add. It's one of the best servers but no one wants to play the same thing over and over.
*shrugs*

Server firsts haven't really been accomplished as such in terms of classic EQ. Emulated EQ firsts have been accomplished.

Really isn't possible atm to accomplish real classic EQ server firsts because the mechanics don't exist for that to happen.

When lazy aggro, no binding in dungeons, no FD -> Sneak -> 100 blur and Pally Only Soulfiring is implemented, if it ever is, I doubt any of the guilds will be able to take even Vindi, let alone a ST warder.

I'd like to see a server first without those things... would be interesting to be proven wrong but I doubt I would be.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stopped reading after that. You don't have to like what I say, but hardly anything (certainly most of the drivel--including yours) in this thread is "needed".

I posted it because I thought it was relevant. If you don't think so, grats you. There have been literal years of folks playing here like fools taking every possible opportunity to tell the devs how they would do a better job with anything and everything (pick a topic: raid scene? economy? classic UIs?).

The devs resistance to give in to ad hoc community solutions that compromise the original purpose of this server is exactly the reason why p99 is still essentially the only stable EQ classic experience anywhere. If you don't see the relevance of that too bad for you.

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yah, because comments like this are how you make friends.

Actually yes, I AM a pretty friendly guy but I will stick up for the under dog when I feel the reasons merit it.

So you stopped reading but you kept reading, gotcha. Well, you sound like a real stand up, credible guy yourself. You cherry pick what to answer and never answered any of the questions OP asked or I asked. You didn't care to register the fact that I said I have no stake in any of this since I choose not to raid. Instead you fan boy pony up + throw out words that literally no one said anything about. No one in this thread said they could do a better job than the developers, just you. No one here mentioned anything about other servers and their stability. What was mentioned was the rule-lawyering + lawyer questing, FTE,COTH races and so much more that you STILL ignore no matter how flagrantly is stares at you.

You are very much part of the problem around here; like that hard pill to swallow or not. The tough guy behind a keyboard type joker that shows up when he can flaunt his pixels, brag about how great broken things are when they favor him and stomp out any disbelief of anything else with banner waving posts and insults anyone that think differently.

To be clear, I have enjoyed this server just as any one else that has played on it. I have praised and thanked the devs & all other involved staff members for their generosity, kindness & unending support for this creation. I have always been gracious to other players & helped those in need when I was able. What have you done for your beloved community?

Nothing to see here folks, everything working as intended since he's got his.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually yes, I AM a pretty friendly guy but I will stick up for the under dog when I feel the reasons merit it.

So you stopped reading but you kept reading, gotcha. Well, you sound like a real stand up, credible guy yourself. You cherry pick what to answer and never answered any of the questions OP asked or I asked. You didn't care to register the fact that I said I have no stake in any of this since I choose not to raid. Instead you fan boy pony up + throw out words that literally no one said anything about. No one in this thread said they could do a better job than the developers, just you. No one here mentioned anything about other servers and their stability. What was mentioned was the rule-lawyering + lawyer questing, FTE,COTH races and so much more that you STILL ignore no matter how flagrantly is stares at you.

You are very much part of the problem around here; like that hard pill to swallow or not. The tough guy behind a keyboard type joker that shows up when he can flaunt his pixels, brag about how great broken things are when they favor him and stomp out any disbelief of anything else with banner waving posts and insults anyone that think differently.

To be clear, I have enjoyed this server just as any one else that has played on it. I have praised and thanked the devs & all other involved staff members for their generosity, kindness & unending support for this creation. I have always been gracious to other players & helped those in need when I was able. What have you done for your beloved community?

Nothing to see here folks, everything working as intended since he's got his.

Yeah, I went back and actually finished reading your post after I said I stopped reading (which I did) the first time. You're chastising me for actually reading what you wrote?

I'm not sure why you want to present me as enemy number 1 when it comes to community life. I've been in the same guild for almost this entire server's life. I've made more friends here and avoided almost all the negativity of the end-game, because I agree with you that that is the most important and fun part of EQ --- not acquiring pixels. I do disagree with you that the solution is to change the game through fixes.

I don't say this because "I am getting mine" and screw everyone else. You're assuming that and it isn't true. I happen to actually think what is best for EQ and the server is to leave it the way it is. P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

Anyways, we don't have to agree...but your eagerness to throw me out as some kind of anti-community misfit just because I don't agree with you on the solution (or that we even need a solution from the devs) is fast and rude to some of the folks on p99 that do actually contribute to the positive community here, but don't agree with you about needing devs to change things.

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

You're half right. The bad in EQ is what made it fun, but a lot of what's wrong with p99 is that it ain't classic: see fd/sneak mechanics for a big one, there are others, Daldaen has a good list.

[Mythanor]

If you think fd/ sneak bug is one of the BIG problems with the server, you totally don't understand what any of the big issues are, sorry to say.

[Dolalin]

That's one of the big things wrong for my personal enjoyment of my time spent on P99. If you're talking about what's wrong for the raid scene, it's that there are too many 60s and too little for them to do. We can talk about supply management techniques, but it all comes down to that.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Mythanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think fd/ sneak bug is one of the BIG problems with the server, you totally don't understand what any of the big issues are, sorry to say.

Its actually a huge problem. Theres a reason the sleeper was not woken in Velious era on live and its because it took an enormous amount of time and effort to gear up.

Being able to clear aggro 100% simply by hitting sneak, as well as binding coth mages at spawns, not having to facewalk mobs because they chase you all the way to zone anyway and 6 years of collecting soulfires vs the 1 year on live means the raiding game is trivial and instead of staggered progression and 1 or 2 guilds doing top end, you have tons of top end guilds fighting over mobs that pose little challenge.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're half right. The bad in EQ is what made it fun, but a lot of what's wrong with p99 is that it ain't classic: see fd/sneak mechanics for a big one, there are others, Daldaen has a good list.

Fixing mechanics I totally agree with you on. Nilbog has said from the very beginning that if there is evidence that can prove how a classic mechanic works and there is a way he can figure out to fix it then it will be corrected.

The discussions/debate tend to happen on topics of what "feels" most classic or "what is best for the community" is not the exact copy/paste of classical mechanics.

I mostly get concerned when folks go passed the simple quality of life changes (linking items, tells queueing as you zone, etc.) and start to look at changes to how folks can interact with one another.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I went back and actually finished reading your post after I said I stopped reading (which I did) the first time. You're chastising me for actually reading what you wrote?

I'm not sure why you want to present me as enemy number 1 when it comes to community life. I've been in the same guild for almost this entire server's life. I've made more friends here and avoided almost all the negativity of the end-game, because I agree with you that that is the most important and fun part of EQ --- not acquiring pixels. I do disagree with you that the solution is to change the game through fixes.

I don't say this because "I am getting mine" and screw everyone else. You're assuming that and it isn't true. I happen to actually think what is best for EQ and the server is to leave it the way it is. P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

Anyways, we don't have to agree...but your eagerness to throw me out as some kind of anti-community misfit just because I don't agree with you on the solution (or that we even need a solution from the devs) is fast and rude to some of the folks on p99 that do actually contribute to the positive community here, but don't agree with you about needing devs to change things.

Were you ever in the Army? You remind me a lot of a certain platoon sergeant I once butted heads with. Always played contrarian or devils advocate to whatever anyone said. Also bullied anyone under his rank. I probably shouldn't expand on that story for many reasons but I can in a private message if you want.

You tend to add things that no one says in your posts, which is an issue and in your own words, assuming things. You assume that I don't contribute or any of the other players that have asked for intervention in the large swaths of grey areas. Yet exalt yourself as if being in 1 guild from conception gives merit to some higher status. No one wants to have pages of rules to play a game that should be pretty straight forward, but the reality is, most people WILL try to screw other people over to get ahead and/or make gains for themselves. If you feel rule, camp, raid lawyering is what EQ is meant to be, then we are not playing the same game at all.

Stating that the server is not in need of any changes equates to it being final. No further changes needed & everything status quo will continue until the plug is pulled. Maybe someone in the know can weigh in whether this is accurate since I dont stay current with server news. Probably sad that I don't know that but yet I can click on any page of any thread to find problems, complaints & gripes about raiding, camp disputes & much more.

I wasn't chastising you. I was pointing out the obvious part that it's difficult to take someones words when they can't even be bothered to read before responding; even if in your snarky manner. But thank you for your discussion and time though, but I will not further this pointless debate as it has become. I hope your EQing goes well & hopefully your ancient guild has some of the best lawyers in Norrath.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were you ever in the Army? You remind me a lot of a certain platoon sergeant I once butted heads with. Always played contrarian or devils advocate to whatever anyone said. Also bullied anyone under his rank. I probably shouldn't expand on that story for many reasons but I can in a private message if you want.

You tend to add things that no one says in your posts, which is an issue and in your own words, assuming things. You assume that I don't contribute or any of the other players that have asked for intervention in the large swaths of grey areas. Yet exalt yourself as if being in 1 guild from conception gives merit to some higher status. No one wants to have pages of rules to play a game that should be pretty straight forward, but the reality is, most people WILL try to screw other people over to get ahead and/or make gains for themselves. If you feel rule, camp, raid lawyering is what EQ is meant to be, then we are not playing the same game at all.

Stating that the server is not in need of any changes equates to it being final. No further changes needed & everything status quo will continue until the plug is pulled. Maybe someone in the know can weigh in whether this is accurate since I dont stay current with server news. Probably sad that I don't know that but yet I can click on any page of any thread to find problems, complaints & gripes about raiding, camp disputes & much more.

I wasn't chastising you. I was pointing out the obvious part that it's difficult to take someones words when they can't even be bothered to read before responding; even if in your snarky manner. But thank you for your discussion and time though, but I will not further this pointless debate as it has become. I hope your EQing goes well & hopefully your ancient guild has some of the best lawyers in Norrath.

I tried. You keep presenting yourself as a champion of the community and how I am part of the problem. If only I was smart enough to understand why you are right and I am wrong everything would be better, but that's not how real dialogue works.

Good luck in your efforts to improve the community, however you define it for yourself.