Jboots (MQ) or SoW Potions, which is more cost effective?

[karsten]

shiftin your first mistake was taking anything that chicanery says on any amount of authority

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i feel like you don't know that inny and CT have been dispelling every time they cast for the last couple months.

So you mean to tell me that every time they cast a spell your entire raid does a synchronized j-boot click?

Actually, I've been to an Inny raid recently... we killed him. I did not require a single heal during the encounter. Pretty sure I could have done it completely buffless if we didn't actually have to fight our way from the zone line up to him.

It doesn't matter if they dispell. A good chunk of the raid shouldn't be in range of the dispell and even if they are I'm pretty sure they should not be getting hit by much else and are well geared enough to survive a minute without a few buffs.

I really don't want to argue about this but I have heard the dispell thing a hundred times and I have never once died to either of these mobs due to not being able to insta-junk buff myself.

J-boots are great and useful and sparkly and magical... but you don't need them to kill any bosses.

[Extunarian]

If you make them yourself or otherwise get them at cost, it's closer to 6pp/charge (closer to 56pp for 10). If you only use them for travel like I do (no point in leaving it on to meditate) they last a long time. My level 40 chanter is down to about 7 charges from the original 40 I gave him when I started.

Also, if your twinking out a level 1, keep in mind that duration scales with level. It's quite a waste to pop sow potions on characters under level 9 (like 5-15 minute duration).

[DevGrousis]

SoW pots cost 100p each, i think you just mis-used your words there. each pop of SOW of the potion can be devided down to 10p per hit = 50SoW pots for the same price as the jboots (5k) and that in turn would give you 15,000 minutes = 250 hours = 10days

I wasnt aware that the jboots were slower than SoW, i thought it actually casted SoW on you.

[Dantes]

I made a thread about this some time back, some people agreed and others were like "WTF n00b, you need jboots zOMG!" I like my sow potions. There's arguments that jboots insta-click is good for raid environments, but I'm a tank... I don't spend much time running away. SOW potions for me, I have other things to spend 6K on.

Originally Posted by Dantes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not just buy SOW potions?

The other day I was debating on whether or not jboots are actually worth it. All of this time spent camping or waiting for the camp to open, or 6k for MQ. They're slower than SOW, yes? A 10 dose SOW potion costs 100pp. So you're paying 10pp per dose. So, buying an MQ costs 6k... which would also buy you 600 SOW potion doses. So if SOW lasts 30 minutes, that's 300 hours of SOW for 6000pp.

And you only need SOW when you are moving, not when you are sitting on your butt at a camp. I might only travel about 20% of my /played time. So, 6k worth of SOW potions should actually last me 1500 hours played. This is more than 62 days played. For the average person's scheduled weekly play that's 2 years of this game, assuming 20 hours a week. If you are talking about 10 hours a week, double that to 4 years. It takes 4 years for those jboots to be worth the cost if you play just 10 hours a week.

Do you really need jboots? Support your local Shaman.

Your mileage may vary. If you are a very active player with lots of time and lots of plat - get the jboots. Why not?

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by DevGrousis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SoW pots cost 100p each, i think you just mis-used your words there. each pop of SOW of the potion can be devided down to 10p per hit = 50SoW pots for the same price as the jboots (5k) and that in turn would give you 15,000 minutes = 250 hours = 10days

I wasnt aware that the jboots were slower than SoW, i thought it actually casted SoW on you.

The OP didn't mispeak at all. You are incorrect in assuming 10 charge potions are the only SoW potions.

10-shot sow potions are generally the only ones sold but you make each charge individually and combine them into 5 or 10 shot potions if desired. Most sell them for 10pp/charge. But like I said upthread the actual cost is close to 56pp for 10 without failures, so factoring in the 5% failure rate on trivial combines it's more like 60pp.

For OP's other questions: At level 9 popping a sow potion will give you a 34% movement increase for 27 minutes. It scales up to 50% for 37 minutes at level 50. Effect: Journeyman's Boots is a flat 35% movement increase.

The ingredients are Birthwort (~2.2p), Fenugreek (~2.2p), and Wolf Blood (~1.1p). The combine is trivial once your alchemy skill hits 37.

Overall, for most folks leveling on a budget I would say that sow potions are a great substitute for jboots.

[Messianic]

When quad kiting, your run speed actually affects how quickly you can finish the quad. I really prefer having that extra speed. I'm going to get jboots eventually, but i'm waiting on it. I might just make enough money to buy an MQ, but for now i'm fine with Sow Pots.

[Yilza Moosik]

Jboots are a cool factor. I have em because it makes my epeen grow a centimeter! Yes a centimeter.

[yaaaflow]

But... surely even despite your awesome anecdotal evidence you can see how being able to insta-junk buff yourself would be useful?

[Odeseus]

How about I add something else to the mix. How many kunark raids are outdoor? I know neither SoW nor Jboots work in Seb, or Chardok. Can't remember if Karnor's is outdoor. No idea if VP is indoor or outdoor.

Just saying this because junk buffs being important for planar mobs is quickly becoming rather unimportant. What would be more interesting is to see if jboots would be a good for that in Kunark for Kunark targets.