1/3 of Russian population headed to bunkers

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bad is bad. Both are bad. One is bad now, the other is bad later. No amount of democracy is going to westernize or secularize them away from their religion and hatred of USA, western values and of Israel.

Which is why physical domination by a secular dictator who is dependent on outside aid to maintain stability is the most optimal outcome even within your sick imperialist paradigm. Allowing for mob rule (actual democracy) in these regions creates entities like ISIS.

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is where you are wrong. For all our horrible politicians and everything messed up going on at home and abroad, USA is the good guys. Our nations actions for over a century, regardless of the motives behind them, has made life safer and better for civilized peoples everywhere. You are an idiot if you think otherwise.

Semite-dominated puppet empires limited by Western values make more humane hegemons than those with overtly Semitic ideology a la Soviet Union, sure. But this idea that foreign states should not be allowed to fail, that the United States has a responsibility to anything other than its citizenry, is a toxic globalist ideology that you seem to be buying into. The US was not intended to be a global empire and imposing our will on foreigners by force, even with the best of intentions, will deservingly earn us destruction.

If brown foreigners want to rape each other to death that is their prerogative. They will waste too much time on that to pose any existential threat to the United States. And if they do want to fuck with us, nuclear deterrence renders non-interventionism a more viable option than ever before in history.

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen and read what Syrians thought about Assad since before the war even started. To them, he is a skinny, effeminate, westernized prick and a horrible successor or alternative to his father and brothers.

And I've seen and read that Americans thought Bush was a war criminal who did 9/11. Yet no foreigners intervened and the regime remained stable.

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is both the middle east and the world better off when Arab nations are not allowed to create unite under a hostile ideology? of course. Again, anyone that doesn't think so is an idiot and beyond educating.

Without (((British))) meddling as Ahldagor mentioned, weaponized neopuritan belligerant Islamic unity against foreign aggressors would not exist. The contents of the Quran disgust me but not any more than the contents of the Talmud -- so take your pick R Flair, either both need to be harassed militarily or wiped from the face of the Earth, or both can coexist with the West.

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I've said before, global politics is an absolute clusterfuck of opposing agendas. The house is divided, it always has been and always will be even if their causes align at some points on some issues.

Trying to ascertain who exactly is doing what for who and what reason is nearly impossible because even the people responsible aren't entirely sure what part of any action or sanction or military action is backed by who. Its just not as simple as conspiracy theorists and anti-zionists like to believe.

You're not wrong about this, but you are still a globalist interventionist cuck.

[maskedmelon]

I don't have an opinion on this. Can someone give me one to work with or share some more info that I can digest to formulate the right opinion? Intuition tells me the problem is the nature of man, but we'll just have to see now...

^^

[Lune]

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only one bringing the goodguy/badguy dichotomy to this conversation is you mein goi

why it is good they are supporting Syria? the globalist faction destabilizing Syria and using US air power to help ISIS gain victories wants chaos in Syria, the highly publicized brutal slaughter of innocents, ISIS propaganda etc to drive American public opinion into justifying a "humanitarian" invasion during the next administration. Obviously Russia is simply resisting the expansion of the US sphere of influence into their own, not doing something because it is right or wrong (yikes), but in this case the Russkie goal of preventing an American invasion aligns with that of Americans who don't want to see US military assets sucked into another quagmire predicated on lies to enrich war profiteer traitors and foreigners.

This is a clever way to look at it.

You're making R Flair look like a fucking dunce in this thread and it's wonderful.

However, I don't think it's accurate to cast the USA as cultivating ISIS victories or benefiting strategically from ISIS in any big-picture way. ISIS is an immense force for instability across the entire region, and instability and unpredictability like that are bad for business. For example, tens of thousands of refugees floating to Italy from the ruins of Libya contributes to the instability of the European economy, whose crash would be devastating to the US, including the US elite.

It's also a stretch to claim this administration was able to plan or mastermind the current trajectory of things in Syria. If that were the case, you wouldn't have had Obama threatening Assad over the use of chemical weapons and then completely reneging on it. That was a blunder no matter how you look at it. Many knew the factions that were responsible for the insurgency in Iraq (many of the fighters came in from Syria) would go out of control once we left, but I don't think anybody predicted that they would come up with something like ISIS that has mass appeal to Muslims.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a clever way to look at it.

You're making R Flair look like a fucking dunce in this thread and it's wonderful.

However, I don't think it's accurate to cast the USA as cultivating ISIS victories or benefiting strategically from ISIS in any big-picture way. ISIS is an immense force for instability across the entire region, and instability and unpredictability like that are bad for business. For example, tens of thousands of refugees floating to Italy from the ruins of Libya contributes to the instability of the European economy, whose crash would be devastating to the US, including the US elite.

It's also a stretch to claim this administration was able to plan or mastermind the current trajectory of things in Syria. If that were the case, you wouldn't have had Obama threatening Assad over the use of chemical weapons and then completely reneging on it. That was a blunder no matter how you look at it. Many knew the factions that were responsible for the insurgency in Iraq (many of the fighters came in from Syria) would go out of control once we left, but I don't think anybody predicted that they would come up with something like ISIS that has mass appeal to Muslims.

I like how you claimed I was a dunce, but then came forth with yet another logical assertion which only proves my point: that it isn't as simple as folks would like to believe.

Its ok not to know. I admit much of what I've said is based on collective info from all sides of the argument. Its just simple logic that none of the theories put forth even approach what constitutes a solid explanation for the things taking place.

Most of all what I cannot understand is the sudden sick adoration of Russia. A comments section on an infowars video reads like a pro-fascist circle-jerk lubricated by Russian propaganda. Its disgusting.

Don't people realize that Trump never intended to suggest that Russia was good in any way, but merely that Putin was working in his country's interests from their worldview and that America's leader should do the same?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of all what I cannot understand is the sudden sick adoration of Russia. A comments section on an infowars video reads like a pro-fascist circle-jerk lubricated by Russian propaganda. Its disgusting.

Don't people realize that Trump never intended to suggest that Russia was good in any way, but merely that Putin was working in his country's interests from their worldview and that America's leader should do the same?

Weak speaker. Sounds like a fake bumbling fat ass. I could do better.

No wonder we have to nuthug Russia.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by R Flair

Posted by R Flair, Today, 04:57 PM

Last edited by R Flair; Today at 05:17 PM.

Cringed at this guy going back and feverishly editing his posts 20 minutes later.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a clever way to look at it.

You're making R Flair look like a fucking dunce in this thread and it's wonderful.

However, I don't think it's accurate to cast the USA as cultivating ISIS victories or benefiting strategically from ISIS in any big-picture way. ISIS is an immense force for instability across the entire region, and instability and unpredictability like that are bad for business. For example, tens of thousands of refugees floating to Italy from the ruins of Libya contributes to the instability of the European economy, whose crash would be devastating to the US, including the US elite.

EU masters clearly like importing refugees for some reason. Deliberate importation of domestic security threats seems to benefit authoritarians. It's not like there was a shortage of people wanting to flood European borders before this conflict; the important thing is that they are being allowed entry.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also a stretch to claim this administration was able to plan or mastermind the current trajectory of things in Syria. If that were the case, you wouldn't have had Obama threatening Assad over the use of chemical weapons and then completely reneging on it. That was a blunder no matter how you look at it. Many knew the factions that were responsible for the insurgency in Iraq (many of the fighters came in from Syria) would go out of control once we left, but I don't think anybody predicted that they would come up with something like ISIS that has mass appeal to Muslims.

Didn't this follow the change in Russian footing on Syria? I read this as Obama backing down from an even more aggressive stance with respect to destabilizing Syria when Russia started investing in the conflict, pulling back to just airstriking Syrian forces, but you might be able to prove that perception wrong if my timeline is messed up.

As for stretches -- I don't think it's a stretch to suspect that people providing arms, training, and logistical support to a rebel force in a region already rendered lawless by earlier interference might have intended for said force to succeed. ISIS may exceed their wildest expectations but this is a tried-and-true formula. It will be used to justify another US invasion and occupation, which you are correct will not benefit the United States of America unless we go full Genghis, but there are plenty of foreigners who will benefit and they have a distressingly firm grip on the policy of the United States of America. That's not even mentioning the huge money in defense and surveillance (booz allen, raytheon etc sure, but don't forget every single company in Silicon Valley) that stand to benefit. There are a lot of people and dollars foreign and domestic on the side of the further looting of American coffers in the guise of another dogshit war.

[derpcake]

forum really needs a mode where you can vote ZERO FUCKING STARS FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT

the "one star" message doesn't seem to bring it to some

[Ahldagor]

Brits divided up land based on resources and not tribal ties....wait, post colonial, post ww2, effects finally coming to a head. Russia trying to pop the zit while the US is letting the skin force it out. Either way the pus is coming out and will need to be cleaned up pretty well or it'll reform, worse than before. It's a quagmire and Jordan proly has the best take on dealing with it, but no one listens to Jordan.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brits divided up land based on resources and not tribal ties....

Well you know, with the invention of the ruler, it just seemed like a fitting place to drop on a map and start drawing little straight lines with a crayon. Before then, there was always peace there, ya know?! Those silly Brits, they should have used a slide-ruler!
but ya know..
at least you're trying [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



Odd, does CNN and NBC/MSNBC have nothing to say on this issue? I did a google search on anything mentioned of Russia from those sites (Russia Site:****** etc.) and for the past week, and hardly a thing came up besides accusations of Russia poisoning US diplomats etc. Otherwise they are pretty much running stories of "Scary Clowns" -like junk on the front page of their website ...well looked at CNN anyway, big ugly clown on the index page. (edit: just looked at msnbc, no clowns, only videos of clown hosts)

I only see this coming out of non-MSM sites and some UK sites. Same with searching Google news in general, just non-MSM sites. It's not a Google problem either, I searched duckduckgo and came up nil just the same.

I mean a third of Russia just went underground, this isn't news worthy for MSM in the least?

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