Rotation RNF Thread

[Breaken]

Maner, clearly you are misinformed. But what else can I expect?

awakened has killed a dragon on another guilds FTE

What mob? Aaryonar? Sorry, but Sirken has said we were in the right. A different mob? Please, enlighten me.

kited dain and then refused to concede

Since when is a dropped pull a kite? The mob reset. Well, actually, it didn't fully because Rustle spam hailed him to freeze him.

had people leave the racing line for one target in tov just to change mid race because a better target spawned

This one is the best. After Aftermath stalled Awakened from doing anything by threatening that this happened, I had to explain how their own fraps showed otherwise. You know, the melee damage showing it was Aikons that was the one who left early.. along with half a dozen other Aftermath... and then Hear ran past the frapser as he died. Only to then have the video cropped to erase that part. Then, finally,

[Fri Oct 07 20:34:58 2016] Moosetoe tells you, 'After reviewing further, it's clearly misidentification. There was no intent to stall inappropriately.'

But hey, keep drinking the koolaid.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since when is a dropped pull a kite? The mob reset. Well, actually, it didn't fully because Rustle spam hailed him to freeze him.

Is that what we did? That's interesting because Dain was stuck under the world pathing back the entire time you were gone in ToV. Qualifies as a stall imo. I seriously hope you didn't tell that lie to the staff.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that what we did? That's interesting because Dain was stuck under the world pathing back the entire time you were gone in ToV. Qualifies as a stall imo. I seriously hope you didn't tell that lie to the staff.

Snackies was spam hailing Dain when Eratani tagged him at the well. Could have pulled anytime but I'm sure Getsome wanted petition fodder instead of pixels.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that what we did? That's interesting because Dain was stuck under the world pathing back the entire time you were gone in ToV. Qualifies as a stall imo. I seriously hope you didn't tell that lie to the staff.

Its not under the world when its literally under the castle pathing back lol

and he not only returned to the throne room, but Snackies had time to turn in his Dirk + say "You can count on my help" phrase.

Was not tagged until Djones began to summon druid pet.

in other news being back at work after living like a cave man for a week sucks

in other other news, its getting old hearing about 'stalling' from guilds that are not literally set up to pull. In the real Norrathian world, when such a claim is made the accuser is implying that the offender is keeping the mob occupied purposely away from their pull team extending the initial engage but not actively bringing it to camp. So many times when people call 'stall' or 'kite' they barely have anyone even in position to tag the mob and are usually just watching it with BS frapsing with no intention to bring in a mob to the camp. If you call a stall and the mob isnt then tagged immediately upon the other guild dropping aggro, then you were not prevented from doing anything and thusly are crying wolf.

[MilanderTruewield]

Stalling is stalling, whether or not another guild is in place to pull.

Also, guess what? A tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it actually DOES make a sound!

[mefdinkins]

trollpocalypse is coming

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not under the world when its literally under the castle pathing back lol

and he not only returned to the throne room, but Snackies had time to turn in his Dirk + say "You can count on my help" phrase.

Was not tagged until Djones began to summon druid pet.

in other news being back at work after living like a cave man for a week sucks

in other other news, its getting old hearing about 'stalling' from guilds that are not literally set up to pull. In the real Norrathian world, when such a claim is made the accuser is implying that the offender is keeping the mob occupied purposely away from their pull team extending the initial engage but not actively bringing it to camp. So many times when people call 'stall' or 'kite' they barely have anyone even in position to tag the mob and are usually just watching it with BS frapsing with no intention to bring in a mob to the camp. If you call a stall and the mob isnt then tagged immediately upon the other guild dropping aggro, then you were not prevented from doing anything and thusly are crying wolf.

People have alts camped, logging in. People have others about to zone in, you cannot possibly claim whether they have the ability to pull or kill either as there is no set amount of people to justify an engage.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People have alts camped, logging in. People have others about to zone in, you cannot possibly claim whether they have the ability to pull or kill either as there is no set amount of people to justify an engage.

correct which is why in my next post, I clarified

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not defining whether something is a kite or stall being based on whether the competition is ready, not in the slightest. Rules should not be broken period, there is some wiggle room people like to use if mobs are 'uncontested' but in general I fully agree that rules are to be followed regardless what other guilds are doing.

The issue is anyone can define the spirit of the rules how they see it and this is why I have always advocated for clearer, more defined Stall/kiting rules as evidenced from the posts Awakened officers made during the time of the Nerd Summit.

[kagrobb]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that what we did? That's interesting because Dain was stuck under the world pathing back the entire time you were gone in ToV. Qualifies as a stall imo. I seriously hope you didn't tell that lie to the staff.

We had to drop the pull and let dain reset due to the pull being less than desirable. We cleared aggro and let him reset. He was walking back from our camp to the throne room and unaggroed. This is a dropped pull and not a kite.

At no point are we under the number of people in raid to kill dain, there was no mass migration from thurg to tov and back to thurg. Painting a picture of all of us running out and porting/gating to tov is absurd and misleading.

What happened is raid force in place, pull team in place, tanks in place, speed bumps in place, healers in place .. pull not good so it is called to drop in multiple ways including /ooc.. pull is dropped and all aggro is cleared /q zone out ect. mob resets ... or tries to but is spam hailed to keep locked in place by a unguilded Rustle member. Rustle still did not have a raid force logged in or zoned in at this point or any point of the encounter.

You understand the difference between a kite/stall and a dropped pull right?

Pre footrace rules in TOV if you dropped a pull it was FFA and nabbed quick, at kite was a mob being pulled away from your raid force for x number of seconds, he only moved towards us when aggroed and never away.

The point all of awakened members are trying to make is we had a kill force in place and had to drop the pull to get it right not drop the pull to get more people there. you own logs will show who was there and was it doable.

Having a kill force in place and one ready to log/zone in is a world of difference. We lose mobs all the time due to people no being logged in and also concede mobs that are kited by us when we are pulling regardless of the other guy having a kill force in place or not.

Not understanding that we are pulling to the lower zoneline versus the upper zoneline to reduce the number of "mysterious" trains is not an excuse to attempt to mislead staff/public on the actual happenings.

It is the same reason we pull to LTK for most of the mobs in TOV versus pulling to the entrance. No weird trains no easy snipes no /ooc of concede you killed my cleric and no hurt feelings about eating the dragon's AE's.

In reality you guys really just pointed out how you were stalling the NPC by hailing him in the tube.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by kagrobb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You understand the difference between a kite/stall and a dropped pull right?

Trust me, the only difference between a kite/stall and a dropped pull is a GM's mood when it gets petitioned...