UNICEF Seeks $ 115,000,000 To Sustain Misery

[Jarnauga]

they're coming for you, daywolf.. you know that

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they're coming for you, daywolf.. you know that

Who, your guillotine people trying the take the Révolution to the world and start libérateur heads from shoulders? I just squirt some ketchsup at 'em. Long live La résistance.

[maskedmelon]

My issue with the whole ting is that these people are suffering. Normal people feel bad about this, but very few have the gumption to do what is right. Donating a dollar here or 100 there won't end the suffering. Sure it will make you feel better like you are doing something 'good', but at the end of the day, the only way to put and end to it is to either adopt some of these people, caring and providing for them as you would your own children, or let them die.

Supporting global initiatives to vaccinate these people against malaria or provide them with a loaf of bread a day so that they may continue to live in a prison of squalor and misery for decades is morally repugnant.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(..)the only way to put and end to it is to either adopt some of these people, caring and providing for them as you would your own children, or let them die.

Supporting global initiatives to vaccinate these people against malaria or provide them with a loaf of bread a day so that they may continue to live in a prison of squalor and misery for decades is morally repugnant.

if you think it's "morally repugnant" to help them get basic needs instead of dying, i don't know what to say [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you think volunteering to give food to homeless people is morally wrong too ?

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only way to put and end to it is to either adopt some of these people, caring and providing for them as you would your own children, or let them die.

Nah. Teach them to fish and quit damming up the stream is my long-term solution. People are afraid that if they are allowed to better their lives, they will become consumers and destroy the planet with global warming etc. It's just a way to control them, to keep them in poverty so they have no say in what is going on in the world. If they have power, clean water, communications, some of them might realize what's really going on and try to stop it. They have enough problematic people in the world like that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you think it's "morally repugnant" to help them get basic needs instead of dying, i don't know what to say [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you think volunteering to give food to homeless people is morally wrong too ?

Yes, it is self serving. It doesn't solve the problem, but eases one's conscience for "doing what they can." Different people have different thresholds, but ultimately their conscience is eased enough that they do nothing more well before the problem is corrected, sustaining the state of misery and ensuring it is still there in the future for them to repeat their meaningless contribution, feel better about their incomplete contribution and be more thankful for what they have.

Very few people are willing to pay the price of correcting the issue, whether it be material or emotional.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah. Teach them to fish and quit damming up the stream is my long-term solution.

This is my point Day :/ Who s going to teach them to fish? Who will teach them to craft rods and line? Who is going to teach them them to defend themselves from the hungry people who have not been taught to fish? What will they do when they've exhausted the stream? Who is going to teach them the basic life skills needed to succeed?

If it is one person we are talking about then you can take them into your home, teach them all these things and help them get set up to start their own life. Donating 25 cents a day to Food For the Poor or funding individuals to go teach men to fish in their own lands does not fix the problem. It supports it.

[entruil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, because not being charitable IS charitable ! see that man drowning in front of you ? don't save him ! it's gonna teach him a lesson and he'll prolly learn to swim after that experience ! see ? you're actually being GOOD here. (also you save your hard-earned-millions-of-dollar-that-you-inherited-from-daddy because you didn't have to call an ambulance)

This is how you get a presidential candidate who feels perfectly fine not paying taxes, not paying contractors, because see, it's HIS money, if other people are not smart enough to get it from me and not get a better lawyer than i, they're not the smart ones, me me me and all the others can go to hell. That african child dying of aids because his raped mom gave him the virus giving him birth (remember abortion and contraception is evil, jesus told me) could totally make it if he just would work 90 hours a week like real americans chinese do in foxxcon factories building toys for richer people's kids. You too, Dave, you work 3 part time jobs already to support your mother that has dementia and the kid you got with that girl that left you for that asshole ? well it's kinda your fault honestly. but you can be rich too, if you just work a bit more and take a 4th job. What about you Nils ? You studied for 5 years and still can't get a job ? well you didn't study the right thing then ! see you have to mold your life after the market ! the market is the only thing that matters, who cares if you wanted to study philosophy, who the fuck cares about philosophy anyway ? just go be a car salesman ffs. thank god we have freedom in this country where you can do whatever you want !

We may live on the same planet, but we're definitely not part of the same world.

lol, this entire post is just silly ^^ It has nothing to do with your world or my world or anyone else's here. No, not being charitable is not actually charitable. Generally speaking charity is a selfish ambition to placate one's own conscience without actually solving the problem. It's a way for people feel good about themselves without doing anything, similar to religion or ideology. As therapy, sure it works, but it is nasty to be perfectly honest.

Ignoring a man drowning is a terrible analogy, because that is a situation is within most people's power to correct and the man's suffering (drowning) is not catching. Ending his suffering only ends it for him. Donating to "charitable" organizations would be akin to dumping a bunch of medium sized playland balls in to the whater to give the man just enough aid to keep him from drowning until he is finally exhausted and does drown.

As for abortion, I've voiced support of it before, but do not discard the objections of those who consider it murder. It does end a life. We've discussed this before with regard to partial birth abortions. If those are acceptable, why not infanticide? Both are equally repugnant practices, but the good that may come of them by ending and preventing suffering outweigh them. I could never consent to either, but I do not delude myself into thinking either is purely virtuous or in some way not vile. But the so is birthing a child's you cannot care for.

The idea that everyone can be rich is just silly too. Just as is the idea that people somehow deserve awful outcomes because they are not as smart as you. Everyone has the opportunity to do what they will of themselves, but not necessarily the resources to effect the outcome desired. Is it their fault they were born into misery? No. Is it nice to keep them in a perpetual state of misery?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, this entire post is just silly ^^ It has nothing to do with your world or my world or anyone else's here. No, not being charitable is not actually charitable. Generally speaking charity is a selfish ambition to placate one's own conscience without actually solving the problem. It's a way for people feel good about themselves without doing anything, similar to religion or ideology. As therapy, sure it works, but it is nasty to be perfectly honest.

Ignoring a man drowning is a terrible analogy, because that is a situation is within most people's power to correct and the man's suffering (drowning) is not catching. Ending his suffering only ends it for him. Donating to "charitable" organizations would be akin to dumping a bunch of medium sized playland balls in to the whater to give the man just enough aid to keep him from drowning until he is finally exhausted and does drown.

As for abortion, I've voiced support of it before, but do not discard the objections of those who consider it murder. It does end a life. We've discussed this before with regard to partial birth abortions. If those are acceptable, why not infanticide? Both are equally repugnant practices, but the good that may come of them by ending and preventing suffering outweigh them. I could never consent to either, but I do not delude myself into thinking either is purely virtuous or in some way not vile. But the so is birthing a child's you cannot care for.

The idea that everyone can be rich is just silly too. Just as is the idea that people somehow deserve awful outcomes because they are not as smart as you. Everyone has the opportunity to do what they will of themselves, but not necessarily the resources to effect the outcome desired. Is it their fault they were born into misery? No. Is it nice to keep them in a perpetual state of misery?

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