Trump's Valor

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if we assume for the sake of argument that anthropogenic global warming is a 100% certainty (and I still think it's unbelievably stupid to trust a group of people who say they can simulate a chaotic system, regardless of how many PhDs they give themselves), so what?

Do you seriously think world leaders will agree to make real cuts in CO2 production when the global economy is even now melting down under a mountain of debt? And even if by some miracle emissions were slashed 25%, how much of an effect do you really think it will have?

Conclusion: if AGW is real, it's baked into the cake already regardless of what Trump, Hillary, or anyone else tries to do.

Under the current system, no, it won't be fixed as long as the baby boomers are alive and likely long after they are dead. Fixing this problem would require widespread cultural changes away from a growth/consumption driven economy and towards a more sustainable model where we aren't gobbling down resources like fucking outrageous gluttons. Those cultural changes won't occur if huge swaths of society deny various environmental problems even exist.

When people like Trump and the Republicans deny facts and evidence regarding climate science, evolution, or any other issue (under considerable influence from energy companies, religious fundamentalists, etc), those cultural changes get stalled. Huge masses of people fall into lockstep with party dogma and it gets reinforced in conservative media that serves the party establishment (just like the liberal side and immigration, social justice, political correctness).

We don't even know for sure if the effects of global warming will be net-negative, but either way I just want policy to be guided by facts and evidence. The way I see it, this desire to deny global warming and the climactic effects of industry is tied in with our obsession with growth and consumption. Nevermind that there are a lot of good reasons to oppose coal and other forms of pollution aside from global warming.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the current system, no, it won't be fixed as long as the baby boomers are alive. Fixing this problem would require widespread cultural changes away from a growth/consumption driven economy and towards a more sustainable model where we aren't gobbling down resources like fucking outrageous gluttons.

When people like Trump and the Republicans deny facts and evidence regarding climate science, evolution, or any other issue (under considerable influence from energy companies, religious fundamentalists, etc), those cultural changes get stalled. Huge masses of people fall into lockstep with party dogma and it gets reinforced in conservative media that serves the party establishment (just like the liberal side and immigration, social justice, political correctness).

We don't even know for sure if the effects of global warming will be net-negative, but I just want policy to be guided by facts and evidence. The way I see it, this desire to deny global warming and the climactic effects of industry is tied in with our obsession with growth and consumption.

It's called realpolitik duke. pandering to climate change and evolution denial is vital to securing Don the presidency. He's going for a coalition of luddite retards and single-issue homosexual identitarians who remember hillary opposing gay marriage until the last. This is democracy in action.

Good news is TRUMP is clearly smart enough to understand what he is doing, unlike the average career Rebuttlickan.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nevermind that there are a lot of good reasons to oppose coal and other forms of pollution aside from global warming.

See, this is the angle the church should be working. It is clearly a massive piece of common ground between science deniers and the church of climate change. Need a real enemy like cancer or autism, not some intangible supposition that fell outta a hippy's hash pipe.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, this is the angle the church should be working. It is clearly a massive piece of common ground between science deniers and the church of climate change. Need a real enemy like cancer or autism, not some intangible supposition that fell outta a hippy's hash pipe.

Incompatible. My favorite developing technology for power generation is cold fusion, by far. Theoretically possible and has come a long way in research thanks to quantum physics. This would also require further development of a space program, which too is a complete joke to the left.

But the left is fully invested into their green energy farce, making money hand over fist and using the whole man made global warming scam to put the chains of global governance around the necks of humanity one UN accord at a time. If the entire world were able to flip on the switch, have power to better grow food and filter clean water to drink, what need would the world any longer have for the UN and globalists?

If the cancer of which they are is not removed, and they picked up actual development of realistic energy technologies, it would only collapse under the weight of their deep corruption thus halting the likelihood of such technology ever being developed.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the current system, no, it won't be fixed as long as the baby boomers are alive and likely long after they are dead. Fixing this problem would require widespread cultural changes away from a growth/consumption driven economy and towards a more sustainable model where we aren't gobbling down resources like fucking outrageous gluttons.

I just can't help but think this is incredibly naive. Yes, the earth is finite and the exponential growth of the economy will soon cease. However, humans are a highly k-selected species with a great deal of practice living in finite spaces. The solution involves killing your neighbor.

I think everyone who grew up before 1960 or so would find this very natural and realistic if slightly depressing, but for the past 50 years or so the West has been suffering from the Leftist delusion, spread by their complete control of the media, that if we just put the Left in charge everyone can have everything they want. It has never worked in the past (Venezuela now has government enforced slavery, hooray) and more and more people are realizing that it will never work in the future.

Highly k-selected people don't care about your plans give everyone a small environmentally friendly slice of the planet. They are going to come fuck you up and take your shit. Trump is their candidate, and if he doesn't work (and he won't, IMO) we will see a war in the near future.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just can't help but think this is incredibly naive. Yes, the earth is finite and the exponential growth of the economy will soon cease. However, humans are a highly k-selected species with a great deal of practice living in finite spaces. The solution involves killing your neighbor.

I think everyone who grew up before 1960 or so would find this very natural and realistic if slightly depressing, but for the past 50 years or so the West has been suffering from the Leftist delusion, spread by their complete control of the media, that if we just put the Left in charge everyone can have everything they want. It has never worked in the past (Venezuela now has government enforced slavery, hooray) and more and more people are realizing that it will never work in the future.

Highly k-selected people don't care about your plans give everyone a small environmentally friendly slice of the planet. They are going to come fuck you up and take your shit. Trump is their candidate, and if he doesn't work (and he won't, IMO) we will see a war in the near future.

Liberalism and pussy-pacifism don't necessarily go together, even though they've been branded that way. Don't forget that in many ways Hitler and his party were big-time socialists who wanted to create a huge welfare state for German people and loathed some of the more parasitic aspects of free market economics... and were arguably the most "k-selected" people of all time.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Highly k-selected people don't care about your plans give everyone a small environmentally friendly slice of the planet. They are going to come fuck you up and take your shit. Trump is their candidate, and if he doesn't work (and he won't, IMO) we will see a war in the near future.

Unfortunately for humanity, democracy favors R-selection [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nihilist_santa]

Haha. I did find it funny in the hit piece the Atlantic put out on the ghost writer for The Art of the Deal the writer was painting Trump as ignorant with no attention span. He said that Trump had been given a copy of Mein Kampf which was one of the only books he had displayed near his bed at his home in FL. The writer tried to make it seem like Trump not only had never read the book but was incapable of doing so. I think the Don likes to play dumb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[R Flair]

but, but, it would work. Just because A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H failed, doesn't mean it wouldn't work if WE did it. They just didn't do it "right."

[LostCause]

more people vote because they don't like this guy or that guy so they just vote

i don't even think 99% of the people who vote even know why they really are voting expect for the fact they don't like the other party.