Most Dominant Guild Ever? VOTE

[Signal]

Originally Posted by Bruno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not even getsome that's bdk and the shaman is lofted lol.

I know. I just used stock images when I made that video. Getsome had been gone awhile.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know. I just used stock images when I made that video. Getsome had been gone awhile.

Why did you libel me?

[Bruno]

Good troll Dannyl. Detoxx doubling up on his antihypertensives and anxiolytics for this one.

[Signal]

As Detoxx said and that video demonstrates...The officers of IB admitted they were losing and would lose Velious without the merge. One member said they would get steamrolled. I think they overestimated the strength of TMO at the time. It was still pretty even between the 2. But yeah IB had issues and problems and were losing a lot at the time.

[Loke]

IB without a doubt, and I've been in most of the guilds on that list. TMO dominated stale Kunark content for a couple years, but look at who won when content was new. IB in classic, TR (IB and a few darkwind) in Kunark, and Rampage (IB and Ateam) in velious. How is this even a question? TMO was wiping to Gore with 70+ when IB was getting server firsts. Whatever DA was calling themselves during late PoSky era has a better claim than TMO, they at least had a server first major kill that wasnt handed to them by GMs, and legitimately out played IB on new content at times.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB without a doubt, and I've been in most of the guilds on that list. TMO dominated stale Kunark content for a couple years, but look at who won when content was new. IB in classic, TR (IB and a few darkwind) in Kunark, and Rampage (IB and Ateam) in velious. How is this even a question? TMO was wiping to Gore with 70+ when IB was getting server firsts. Whatever DA was calling themselves during late PoSky era has a better claim than TMO, they at least had a server first major kill that wasnt handed to them by GMs, and legitimately out played IB on new content at times.

But the question isn't who was the most skillful or best. It's who dominated the most. IB as an organization was always strongly skilled across the board. However, TMO, had undeniably deeper resources over a much longer time and they were far more resilient to outside attrition. But, TMO's skill was mostly held in the hands of 25ish people and the rest were less involved. IB went for high selectivity so that every man could pull his weight X2, but they needed that individual strength because the pool of qualified people was so small. TMO had a lot of people that were also highly skilled, but they decided to go for a deeper resource pool with less selectivity to resist attrition better.

P99 has always been a meat grinder at the high end. TMO played a better metagame strategy here, in my opinion. I'm not downplaying anyone's skill or commitment; I simply think that one strategy was a better choice given the environment, thus TMO is the answer to the question asked. Unlike the question of who is the greatest of all time, I think this one is somewhat more answerable objectively.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 has always been a meat grinder at the high end. TMO played a better metagame strategy here, in my opinion. I'm not downplaying anyone's skill or commitment; I simply think that one strategy was a better choice given the environment, thus TMO is the answer to the question asked. Unlike the question of who is the greatest of all time, I think this one is somewhat more answerable objectively.

The IB meta was server firsts, and when I and a few others came back in July of 2013 it was to wake the sleeper. The IB core took up the mantle when I went fishing and completed our goal. Gratz Rampage.

The TMO metagame dominated middle kunark, neither the end or the beginning. Mostly due to a 4+ year kunark cycle. and the timing and froovygate.

The TMO of 2014 was not the TMO of 2011/2/3.

I think both have merits. Personally I would have loved to be in a guild with zero competition on targets and just kill shit. And by playing on eqmac for 6 months I got to experience that.

I have buried any personal axes with 99.99% of the folks I have competed against, and have been guilded with most of them now at one time.

So gratz to everyone.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this is why you get accused of spin. I never claimed IB dominated most of Kunark, in fact I straight up admitted TMO dominated a huge portion of it. I'm simply pointing out IB dominated all fresh content with the possible exception of VP, which is what most competitive people actually care about. TMO never dominated new content. Not Kunark, not velious, and VP is debatable.

VP was fresh bruh.. also the hardest part of Kunark. Doesn't count tho!

Originally Posted by TMBLOW [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO definitely caused the creation of most anon forum accounts.

Pretty good sign of their dominance.

LOL

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, I hate to be a double poster, but how can you say Sky doesn't matter? Raiding Sky beyond isle 4 at L50 was one of the most difficult periods of raiding on this server. Bee was like Sontalak level difficulty. Sky at 50 was way harder than anything in Kunark at 60.

Not too hard with Hobby ching ya.. and charmed faeries tho amirite?

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The IB meta was server firsts, and when I and a few others came back in July of 2013 it was to wake the sleeper. The IB core took up the mantle when I went fishing and completed our goal. Gratz Rampage.

The TMO metagame dominated middle kunark, neither the end or the beginning. Mostly due to a 4+ year kunark cycle. and the timing and froovygate.

The TMO of 2014 was not the TMO of 2011/2/3.

I think both have merits. Personally I would have loved to be in a guild with zero competition on targets and just kill shit. And by playing on eqmac for 6 months I got to experience that.

I have buried any personal axes with 99.99% of the folks I have competed against, and have been guilded with most of them now at one time.

So gratz to everyone.

hear hear! By late kunark the 2 guilds were completely intermixed anyways

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uncontested raiding with 485 server population doesnt count, so lets keep it in the last 3 years.

Also, not sure how someone with a 2014 join date can comment on the competitiveness of the server in classic. DA vs IB was probably the most competitive time this server has seen, and before that Transcendece kept it interesting. At one point in classic there were 7 guilds all competing for raid mobs, IB just happened to win most of the time.

[Signal]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, not sure how someone with a 2014 join date can comment on the competitiveness of the server in classic. DA vs IB was probably the most competitive time this server has seen, and before that Transcendece kept it interesting. At one point in classic there were 7 guilds all competing for raid mobs, IB just happened to win most of the time.

Just a grossly false statement. Nothing was more competitive than IB vs TMO in the VP FTE days. That is just a fact. TMO before those days were a good guild. However, they also had the benefit of being able to train with the larger raid force in VP to keep competition at bay. The other guilds weren't on equal footing with them because of the time they had for uncontested mobs. A great guild yes. But they really didn't have an equal raid force contesting them for much of that time. So we will never know if they could have matched up without that training ability in place.