Socialized Medicine - Let's Discuss!

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

opinions are different than knowledge. i did not comment on your opinion, i questioned your knowledge.

my good chum

Insurers don't force you to buy their products.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If my opinion differs from yours I must not understand the subject!

Good day sir

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

opinions are different than knowledge. i did not comment on your opinion, i questioned your knowledge.

my good chum

This is a very important point that most people don't seem to understand.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do you not know how insurance works?

But that's exactly how it works, or at least in a way. Those paying for insurance are subsidizing those who get it for free. That's the whole point of the "Affordable" Care Act - affordable only to the very poor. Without forcing people to purchase insurance the system would collapse. Insurers fought long and hard for the mandate because without it they wouldn't make money.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's exactly how it works, or at least in a way. Those paying for insurance are subsidizing those who get it for free. That's the whole point of the "Affordable" Care Act - affordable only to the very poor. Without forcing people to purchase insurance the system would collapse. Insurers fought long and hard for the mandate because without it they wouldn't make money.

all insurance plans would collapse without the fit subsidizing the unfit. objection to goverment involvement in the process is a simple pavlovian reaction.

my good chum

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in fact i prefer the system where I'm not forced to pay for other irresponsible people's healthcare

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do you not know how insurance works?

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in fact i prefer the system where I'm not forced to pay for other irresponsible people's healthcare

Don't you already pay for people's healthcare though? I mean, if you have health insurance, your monthly premiums are going to pay for other people's healthcare. That's how insurance works.

People without insurance just end up in the emergency room where they will get treated and the costs will shift onto someone else. Who do you think pays for that?

Is there a first-world, developed country where people don't pay for other people's healthcare? It seems to me that Americans already pay for other people's care, we just do it in the most inefficient, expensive way possible.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you already pay for people's healthcare though? I mean, if you have health insurance, your monthly premiums are going to pay for other people's healthcare. That's how insurance works.

People without insurance just end up in the emergency room where they will get treated and the costs will shift onto someone else. Who do you think pays for that?

Is there a first-world, developed country where people don't pay for other people's healthcare? It seems to me that Americans already pay for other people's care, we just do it in the most inefficient, expensive way possible.

That is exactly true... It's obvious that Bazia doesn't understand this at all, and was just repeating talking points he heard/read somewhere once.

[maskedmelon]

In a national healthcare setting, would anyone be opposed to linking tax burden with risk and/or usage, perhaps with discounts (credits/deductions) for healthful endeavors?

[Danth]

I oppose that sort of thing. I don't even like seeing penalties for smokers. Government being government, such policies inevitably lead to a slippery slope of ever-increasing penalties and restrictions, as well as financial motivations to avoid fixing the penalized behaviors. I instead prefer to accept a certain element of inefficiency within the system.

Danth

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a national healthcare setting, would anyone be opposed to linking tax burden with risk and/or usage, perhaps with discounts (credits/deductions) for healthful endeavors?

already the case, lots of taxes on tobacco products for example