Ranger weapon with Swiftwind

[darkreap]

I believe part of the issue with your numbers is your offhand will not be swinging every round. I think with max dw skill you will swing about half the time.

[jpetrick]

Dual Wield % = Dual Wield Skill + Level / 400

Dual Wield cap at level 60 = 240

75% @ Level 60 for Rangers

Spined Dragon Claw = 1.47
Green Jade Broadsword (Offhand) = .88

1.47 + (.88 x .75) = 2.13

I don't know what your dual wield skill is at level 47 but your damage is worse than what I just provided.

[demokatt]

So woodsman staff is:
((31*2)+19)/35 = 2.31 ratio

And two lammys are:
Wurmslayer - ((25*2)+11)/40=1.525 + (0,75*1,525) = 2,67

So even a crappy weapon like lammy is better 50+ ? Are we sure that 2H bonus is 19 at 60? And is it mathematical correct to just take the ratio * 0,75 to simulate offhand damage?

[koros]

http://codepad.org/NjMM455H

From Rogean directly:

}
// Sep. 19, 2000 until Oct. 8, 2001, delay adjustments.
else if (RuleI(Combat,TwoHandedDmgBonus) == 2)
{
if (Weapon->Delay <= 27)
return (GetLevel() - 22) / 3; // Just 1h bonus + 1.

int32 base;
if (GetLevel() > 50)
base = ((GetLevel() - 7) / 3);
else
base = ((GetLevel() - 25) / 2);

if (Weapon->Delay <= 39)
return base;
else if (Weapon->Delay <= 42)
return base + 1;
else if (Weapon->Delay <= 44)
return base + 3;
else
return base + (Weapon->Delay - 31)/3;

Ok, so a 35 delay weapon has a 17 damage bonus at 60.

(31*2+17) / 35 = 2.257

I believe the duel wield skill check is (level + skill / 500), not 400. So it fires at 60% for rangers at 60.

so a 1:2 ratio weapon will add a .6 at 60 in the offhand.

Lammys = 2.09
Jade maces = 2.21
Woodsman = 2.256
Crescent Blades of Luclin + Winter's Fury = 2.39
Epics = 2.367 (not including haste and raw atk)

Make sense now?

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe the duel wield skill check is (level + skill / 500), not 400. So it fires at 60% for rangers at 60.

How certain are you of this? I would need to redo a lot of my math on monk weapons if this is true. Which also would make 2handers way better (for monks) than almost any dual wield combination.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How certain are you of this? I would need to redo a lot of my math on monk weapons if this is true. Which also would make 2handers way better (for monks) than almost any dual wield combination.

Pretty sure he's right, some classes have a 500 divider and some classes have a 400 - possibly only Monk has 400.

[demokatt]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://codepad.org/NjMM455H

From Rogean directly:

}
// Sep. 19, 2000 until Oct. 8, 2001, delay adjustments.
else if (RuleI(Combat,TwoHandedDmgBonus) == 2)
{
if (Weapon->Delay <= 27)
return (GetLevel() - 22) / 3; // Just 1h bonus + 1.

int32 base;
if (GetLevel() > 50)
base = ((GetLevel() - 7) / 3);
else
base = ((GetLevel() - 25) / 2);

if (Weapon->Delay <= 39)
return base;
else if (Weapon->Delay <= 42)
return base + 1;
else if (Weapon->Delay <= 44)
return base + 3;
else
return base + (Weapon->Delay - 31)/3;

Ok, so a 35 delay weapon has a 17 damage bonus at 60.

(31*2+17) / 35 = 2.257

I believe the duel wield skill check is (level + skill / 500), not 400. So it fires at 60% for rangers at 60.

so a 1:2 ratio weapon will add a .6 at 60 in the offhand.

Lammys = 2.09
Jade maces = 2.21
Woodsman = 2.256
Crescent Blades of Luclin + Winter's Fury = 2.39
Epics = 2.367 (not including haste and raw atk)

Make sense now?

Yes thanks, I was way off in my calculations - wrong weapon and forgot to remove damage bonus on offhand :-)

I think I keep the lammys anyway since I like the stats compared to woodsman, +12 STR, + 12 STA and +40 HP is more worth it imo than 0,166 better ratio and it looks cooler than the old stick I have had for 50 levels :-)

I could switch to two Defiance though, I wonder if 20 AC is better than 12 STA + 40 HP? Also get +16 DEX, could be good for getting more crits on the arrow :-)

[TheBiznessTZ]

I use Tolans long sword of the glave and swift wind... Am I doing it wrong? ....

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by TheBiznessTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I use Tolans long sword of the glave and swift wind... Am I doing it wrong? ....

I think Tolan's sword is terrible, honestly. It's slow for a mainhand and you lose ATK from Swiftwind in offhand. Just all around kinda not so good.

[Ruppet]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Tolan's sword is terrible, honestly. It's slow for a mainhand and you lose ATK from Swiftwind in offhand. Just all around kinda not so good.

Dang.. and I was thinking that 21 is fairly fast too, haha.

If I follow the same math to calculate weapon effectiveness.. I get ((15*2)+11) / 21 = 1.95 which outclasses the rest on the list from earlier in the post. I'd have thought the ratio would be good enough to make up for the benefit of damage bonus from a faster weapon? Is this thinking incorrect?