Brexit vote inc

[Lojik]

Brexit is a perfect example of why I hate politics. It's basically a 50/50 vote, and each side wants to completely dismiss the other sides opinion because [insert some generalisation.] One side claims worldwide panic and chaos will ensue, the other claims liberation from international elite bankers, but the reality is probably going to fall somewhere in between. They'll use singular anecdotal stories to reinforce their opinions, but completely dismiss anything that goes against what they believe. They'll use one type of evidence to reinforce their claims, but ignore that exact type of evidence when it goes against what they believe. For instance, people who were in the remain camp will point to markets dropping as evidence that panic will ensue, but a lot of these people probably shrugged it off when markets dipped when Obama was elected. It's the opposite way around for people in the leave camp.

What we've really learned from history is that, no one really fucking knows what's going to happen. Short term it will probably be a net negative for Britain because change is always hard, but in the long run it could easily turn out better or worse depending on how things go. Call me cynical, but I personally have a hard time believing that politicians will be willing to let the status quo change too much based on a direct vote by the people. Titles change, power shifts hand from one elite set to another, but businesses still need to make money and there are people to be fleeced in Britain and Europe. Trading terms et cetera will take a while to hash out, so likely you'll see terms similar to how things are now in the meantime and probably in the future as well (similar to Norway and Switzerland arrangements with the EU.)

There are opportunities both lost and gained for Britain with this. One thing though is it sends a message to those officials in the EU that there is certainly some accountability for their actions now. Maybe this could make the EU stronger in the future, and perhaps 10 years or more down the road Britain (or just England) could rejoin the EU.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brexit is a perfect example of why I hate politics. It's basically a 50/50 vote, and each side wants to completely dismiss the other sides opinion because [insert some generalisation.] One side claims worldwide panic and chaos will ensue, the other claims liberation from international elite bankers, but the reality is probably going to fall somewhere in between. They'll use singular anecdotal stories to reinforce their opinions, but completely dismiss anything that goes against what they believe. They'll use one type of evidence to reinforce their claims, but ignore that exact type of evidence when it goes against what they believe. For instance, people who were in the remain camp will point to markets dropping as evidence that panic will ensue, but a lot of these people probably shrugged it off when markets dipped when Obama was elected. It's the opposite way around for people in the leave camp.

What we've really learned from history is that, no one really fucking knows what's going to happen. Short term it will probably be a net negative for Britain because change is always hard, but in the long run it could easily turn out better or worse depending on how things go. Call me cynical, but I personally have a hard time believing that politicians will be willing to let the status quo change too much based on a direct vote by the people. Titles change, power shifts hand from one elite set to another, but businesses still need to make money and there are people to be fleeced in Britain and Europe. Trading terms et cetera will take a while to hash out, so likely you'll see terms similar to how things are now in the meantime and probably in the future as well (similar to Norway and Switzerland arrangements with the EU.)

There are opportunities both lost and gained for Britain with this. One thing though is it sends a message to those officials in the EU that there is certainly some accountability for their actions now. Maybe this could make the EU stronger in the future, and perhaps 10 years or more down the road Britain (or just England) could rejoin the EU.

agreed

[Daywolf]

er we do know, just like we knew about Iceland. Iceland crushes the corruption, the left whines it's all over for Icelend, just doom and gloom. Six months later the recovery is obvious, today they are doing well.

Brexit is much of the same, other than they may be better off since they didn't wait until things were so dire... or even worse would be this case due to the insane multiculturalism push by the EU which is about making sure no one ever escapes the corruption by way of voting.

Almost waited too long, another year and the invaders would have taken the vote in the other direction.

[Zuranthium]

"The invaders"

LMAO. Again, gnolls.

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope the immigration policy is adjusted to really limit unskilled workers of any nationality coming in and taking a job a Brit could do.

(and before anyone calls me racist, this is America's policy)

America's policy is not an example of something not being racist or wrong.

How exactly is an "unskilled" worker taking a job that a Brit could do? If that person was unskilled then the job they "took" was something an unskilled Brit would have done. What makes an unskilled natural-born Brit better than an unskilled person who happened to instead grow up in France, Germany, India, or Africa?

The only thing that truly defines any person's Nationality is agreeing to live by the rules which govern the country.

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think for a second that if the US entered a North American Union which allowed the free movement of Mexicans into the US to work that it would be popular or desirable by the majority.

Of course it wouldn't be popular, but popularity is hardly the sole determiner of something being good or bad. The other issue is that of nations being in alignment to begin with. Europe as a whole collectively learned the lesson after World War 2 of how disastrous it is to segregate. It's only natural they should form a like-minded union. Mexico, on the other hand, still differs quite a lot from the US. They need to change a lot of their own practices until it would make sense to "bring them into the fold".

[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The invaders"

LMAO. Again, gnolls.



America's policy is not an example of something not being racist or wrong.

How exactly is an "unskilled" worker taking a job that a Brit could do? If that person was unskilled then the job they "took" was something an unskilled Brit would have done. What makes an unskilled natural-born Brit better than an unskilled person who happened to instead grow up in France, Germany, India, or Africa?

The only thing that truly defines any person's Nationality is agreeing to live by the rules which govern the country.



Of course it wouldn't be popular, but popularity is hardly the sole determiner of something being good or bad. The other issue is that of nations being in alignment to begin with. Europe as a whole collectively learned the lesson after World War 2 of how disastrous it is to segregate. It's only natural they should form a like-minded union. Mexico, on the other hand, still differs quite a lot from the US. They need to change a lot of their own practices until it would make sense to "bring them into the fold".

Good job circle jerking your way to a wrong conclusion. Its what the left is famous for.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by sOurDieSel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good job circle jerking your way to a wrong conclusion. Its what the left is famous for.

you have no idea what a circlejerk is you cuck!!!

[AzzarTheGod]

Who is further left than Zuranthium on this forum?

[Blitzers]

1 thing is sure the Brits are gonna keep their Tea Kettles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...d-kettles.html

A study ordered by the European Commission, currently in draft form, has identified up to 30 electrical appliances including lawn mowers, smart phones and kettles that could be covered by the EU's Ecodesign directive outlawing high-wattage devices.

Günther Oettinger, the German EU energy commissioner, said that legislation preventing consumers from buying high-wattage appliances was necessary to fight climate change.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 thing is sure the Brits are gonna keep their Tea Kettles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...d-kettles.html

A study ordered by the European Commission, currently in draft form, has identified up to 30 electrical appliances including lawn mowers, smart phones and kettles that could be covered by the EU's Ecodesign directive outlawing high-wattage devices.

Günther Oettinger, the German EU energy commissioner, said that legislation preventing consumers from buying high-wattage appliances was necessary to fight climate change.

they tried it here. said they were taking all my light bulbs and replacing them, stealing my bulbs essentially.

I said you can take your own bulbs and swap them, but the lights I provide I provide for a reason because I like and prefer the lighting. its my decision to install these lights.

told them fuck off and it worked. got an exemption.

[Jimjam]

The "Invaders" weren't able to vote on this, it was for British Nationals only as I recall.

The unskilled workers thing is an interesting point. I wonder if it is better for them to come here and undercut the value of British labour (within the remit of the minimum wage*) and pay taxes, or if it is better for the job to go abroad to the unskilled labour (which despite the protests of globalisation actually pumps money into developing countries, encourages unionisation there and eventually improves wages and working conditions there).

*that said, there is an element of the minimum wage being illegally bypassed with unpaid overtime, or straight up illegal cash in hand work, even at big employers such as the Sports Direct retail chain.