I love to have a Bard in group, but I hate them when they are solo

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOIO / OT / DL were some of my favorite places to XP back on classic

Yep, OT was great in classic, I spent countless hours there with guildies, there were always at least five full camps pulling out of OT and a lot of duo's etc. It's just a mess here, bards running everywhere with 20+ mob kites.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't disrupting a bards pull to purposefully get him harmed illegal? I know nobody likes bards/swarming, but they aren't doing anything wrong or illegal using their class to its full advantage.

In zones like OT they are generally just taking mobs (and there are plenty to spare). Few people actually level in FV, so that's not a big deal. The same goes for LoIo, tons of mobs. In each of these zones, bard wipe and pathing trains are rarely problematic (it's possible, but not all that likely).

The problem is when bards move to more dubious areas like Dreadlands. Latency in the zone is screwy, making them prone to dying. Latency in the zone is also screwy in that the big pulls do cause palpable lag that interferes with the players operating there. The biggest problem, however, is that they will inevitably die ... and when they do every last chicken and dog they failed to kill will path back to their spawn point, meaning a dozen (or 2 or 3 dozen or more) will path right through the walls of KC castle where groups like to set up shop. Nothing like sitting by castle wall only to have 3 drolvs and 2 birds ghost through the wall and eat your bacon. This is assuming a best case scenario where the bard was super careful not to pull his mobs in a way that they run by/over the groups xping there (which happens frequently), meaning that if and when the bard dies the mobs will make a B-line to said person or group via proxy aggro during the pull.

**Zone disruption is illegal, and there's a case to be made in a lot of swarming instances that the zone is being disrupted.

**Mob monopolization is illegal. Generally in the areas bards do this there are plenty of mobs left over, but that isn't always the case.

**Training is illegal. If your pull (intentionally or otherwise) causes collateral damage, the puller is responsible.

Too often, the assholes breaking the above rules (some are subjective, others such as training are clear-cut and VERY objective) are not held accountable or punished.

My main is a bard. I understand the bard hate ... because there's a lot of careless bards out there who just don't give a shit.