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[burkemi5]

Phragmar:

this exact same scenario happened to a group of mine while camping lord in lower guk. It happens every day and it will continue to happen. Whenever I arrive at a new camp, I make sure no one is there, if there is, I will ask if they are camping it. I look for corpses, do a /who all (x), message them, see what their deal is if they're online. In certain zones, you'll see people gravitating between camps and you might find the one you want with a full spawn, only to have someone swoop in moments later claiming that they've been there (in most cases, they have).

How you react in these aforementioned situations is up to. Technically, the rules state that the camp is "theirs" and no longer "yours." If you have spent any time reading these forums, you will quickly learn that reputation is paramount, and once you build a bad one, you may as well reroll. My advice to you in this situation is to treat people the way you would like to be treated and hope that the "pay it forward" attitude makes it way back to you.

[soup]

The amount of people who say stuff like "RULES IS RULES he lost the camp!" makes me sick. Rules don't determine what is and isn't a douche bag thing to do. Those people from VD were grade A douche bags, there's no way around it. Within the rules? Perhaps, but absolute douche bags nonetheless.

It's kind of sad how often people on this server will degrade into complete douchebaggery if it means citing the rules will give them a shot at some loot. There's a lot of good people in this community, but the community isn't anywhere near what we would like to think it is.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The amount of people who say stuff like "RULES IS RULES he lost the camp!" makes me sick. Rules don't determine what is and isn't a douche bag thing to do. Those people from VD were grade A douche bags, there's no way around it. Within the rules? Perhaps, but absolute douche bags nonetheless.

It's kind of sad how often people on this server will degrade into complete douchebaggery if it means citing the rules will give them a shot at some loot. There's a lot of good people in this community, but the community isn't anywhere near what we would like to think it is.

Cool. Let us know what camp you're at so we can come by and make up some sob story about how we had to leave for a few minutes to go pull a baby out of a burning house, but we were totally just camping that so you are a douchebag if you don't relinquish it back to us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool. Let us know what camp you're at so we can come by and make up some sob story about how we had to leave for a few minutes to go pull a baby out of a burning house, but we were totally just camping that so you are a douchebag if you don't relinquish it back to us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a difference between the story being true or made up. If I have been at the camp for an hour, obviously you're full of shit. If I just got there, then you tell me that, and random people in the zone who aren't in your guild confirm that, then I wil lgive you the benefit of the doubt and go elsewhere, as I have done countless times before. (the corpse sitting on the ground with 5 minutes missing from the timer could be a pretty clear sign you aren't full of shit also...)

See, unlike many of you, when an issue comes up, I don't ask myself "What do the rules say?" I ask myself "What would be the non-douchebag thing to do?"

So, like I said, you care about the chance of loot more than anything else. That's fine, but that generally makes you a douche bag. If you're okay with that, so be it, but don't lie to yourself and act like it isn't a douche bag thing to do.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a difference between the story being true or made up. If I have been at the camp for an hour, obviously you're full of shit. If I just got there, then you tell me that, and random people in the zone who aren't in your guild confirm that, then I wil lgive you the benefit of the doubt and go elsewhere, as I have done countless times before. (the corpse sitting on the ground with 5 minutes missing from the timer could be a pretty clear sign you aren't full of shit also...)

See, unlike many of you, when an issue comes up, I don't ask myself "What do the rules say?" I ask myself "What would be the non-douchebag thing to do?"

So, like I said, you care about the chance of loot more than anything else. That's fine, but that generally makes you a douche bag. If you're okay with that, so be it, but don't lie to yourself and act like it isn't a douche bag thing to do.

No, I care about doing what's right. The problem is what my definition of right, your definition of right, and every individual's definition of right is all subjective. So then we turn to the established camping rules of the server which are the most objective set of standards available to all of us.

By your definition of doing what is right, you should be willing to give up whatever loot camp you're at no matter how long you've been there the moment someone comes along who wants it. Because hey, it's the nice thing to do, and you shouldn't care about a chance at loot, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I care about doing what's right. The problem is what my definition of right, your definition of right, and every individual's definition of right is all subjective. So then we turn to the established camping rules of the server which are the most objective set of standards available to all of us.

By your definition of doing what is right, you should be willing to give up whatever Kooy camp you're at no matter how long you've been there the moment someone comes along who wants it. Because hey, it's the nice thing to do, and you shouldn't care about a chance at loot, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said before, what is or isn't against the rules doesn't determine what is or isn't a douchebag thing to do. If you disagree then I question your ability to form your own opinions.

As for the second bit, you may want to take a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Darian]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, like I said, you care about the chance of loot more than anything else. That's fine, but that generally makes you a douche bag. If you're okay with that, so be it, but don't lie to yourself and act like it isn't a douche bag thing to do.

So the guys in the right place at the right time were selfish douchebags, but the guy who wanted an item so bad he was willing to wait on one mob for 24 hours is the unselfish, non-loot-greedy victim here?

Seriously, stop and think about what "camping" means. Rilen (presumably) answered "AC" to every camp check. What does that mean? For an ENTIRE DAY, Rilen told everyone who wanted Jboots, "No. You cannot kill this mob. Only I can." That's not selfish to you?

Everyone who has ever camped anything, ever, is technically selfish. They are monopolizing a spawn/item at everyone else's expense. Some people are worse about it than others, but it's a part of this game.

DISCLAIMER: I have no problem with Rilen, or his camping, or anyone else choosing to camp anything. I do not use the word "selfish" to describe this behavior. People do not play this game solely to help other people get lewt or levels. There is an inherent selfishness to Everquest. It happens. I'm okay with it.

[Zereh]

Guess I'm on the "extend a helping hand" team and not "kick 'em when they're down". But to each their own. I just know what I'd like to happen if I were the one that died and act accordingly. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] <--imagine some rose-colored shades there

[Mady]

Would seem if your corpse is still lying there with the rez timer not too far gone....

Whatever.

[maegi]

The fact that the AC in SRO requires that much precise work and timing to me makes much more of a camp than the one in OOT that is simply kill the PH every 6 mins till you see "an ancient cyclops " then loot a ring. A monkey can do that if trained through Pavlov's react to a certain stimulus training. Kill the thing that appears, get a fucking banana, good job bro. So to say AC in SRO isn't a camp just says you are pretty fucking misinformed.