Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No because rotations are for pussies. If you're not raiding ToV every weekend you shouldn't even play on p99.

Good thing I am then I suppose.

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhexf94LjTw

[RedXIII]

I dont see anything change while Detoxx still leads a guild. He says one thing, agrees to it and then change his mind because he will lose a FTE/Dragon. Agreements been broken on the fly to suit his needs.

Since week ONE of velious, both top guild knew per Rogean words that we were not supposed to "bug pull" Zlandicar to entrance/first floor. Last weekend Zlandicar, <Awakened> monilized first and had a kill force ready at Zland lair before <FA>. What did they do?! They bug pull it warping thro walls and brought it to entrance to kill it there. Even thou my leaders try talk him out of it, he still proceed and killed the dragon... one week later he "concedes" next Zlandicar because he knows he did crap and to prevent a bigger suspension.

In the IB/TMO days, we had a good streak of PD FTEs until Nalken started to cheat and use shadowstep to FTE, took us a couple weeks to figure out that he was cheating and was really sad to see that their leadership allowed him to keep going with this.

While these type of people lead a guild, no agreements will last.

Really proud of been in a guild with correct leadership, we dont allow our members to cheat, and when something we do goes wrong we step back instead of having this "we will just concede the next one incase they show us good fraps evidences".

Thanks IB leadership (Getsome, Hokushin, Kegluas) for teaching me how to be fair and correct in this mud pool of p99 players.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by RedXIII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the IB/TMO days, we had a good streak of PD FTEs until Nalken started to cheat and use shadowstep to FTE, took us a couple weeks to figure out that he was cheating and was really sad to see that their leadership allowed him to keep going with this.

This wasn't cheating - there was no player-agreement or rule prohibiting this. The rule was no movement speed greater than SoW, however IB was also clicking off lev down ramps to move faster during this same period of time. I would put on the same level as a very short-distance shadow-step and so did the GMs.

Originally Posted by RedXIII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks IB leadership (Getsome, Hokushin, Kegluas) for teaching me how to be fair and correct in this mud pool of p99 players.

Getsome had his guild taken away from him because of poor leadership, lol. GMs literally no longer allowed him to participate in raid discussions and gave leadership control to Hokushin. I wouldn't tout him as any beacon of integrity on this server.

[Elmarnieh]

Exploiting bugged pathing is cheating. It has always been so, it will always be so.

[Elmarnieh]

The only option I can see is for one guild to so absolutely dominate TOV that it forces other guilds to come to the table and if any guild breaks it it means domination again. That one guild gets less loot but a lot less boring tracking and FTE and the other guilds get loot.

Short of GM enforcement of the rules this is the only path forward because it incentivizes each member in the agreement to act honorably in order to get what they desire.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only option I can see is for one guild to so absolutely dominate TOV that it forces other guilds to come to the table and if any guild breaks it it means domination again. That one guild gets less loot but a lot less boring tracking and FTE and the other guilds get loot.

Short of GM enforcement of the rules this is the only path forward because it incentivizes each member in the agreement to act honorably in order to get what they desire.

As long as CoTHquest exists, no guild will "dominate" NToV. Each mob is essentially a coin flip on first cast, which is gay as hell.

[Man0warr]

No agreement/rotation will ever be possible as long as Detoxx (and his lackey Pint) is in charge of one of the guilds.

I guarantee the leadership of the other major guilds would be happy to work something out. Maybe if Anichek/Daldaen/Cloki or whoever could get together and bring it to Sirken/Rogean some traction would be made.

[jpetrick]

I said a long time ago on the raid discussion that I think if you cut all the mobs spawn timers in half a lot of these problems go away. So any 3 day spawn is now 36 hours and any 7 day spawn is 3.5 days I just find it hard to believe that if all of NToV is spawning every 3.5 days that you will have people going so damn crazy. It would just be way too much raiding for people. Mobs will get left up, other guilds will have a shot, you might even see a bit of decorum between people seeing as you losing a target isn't the end of the fucking world when it comes up again in 3 days.

[Kagey]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said a long time ago on the raid discussion that I think if you cut all the mobs spawn timers in half a lot of these problems go away. So any 3 day spawn is now 36 hours and any 7 day spawn is 3.5 days I just find it hard to believe that if all of NToV is spawning every 3.5 days that you will have people going so damn crazy. It would just be way too much raiding for people. Mobs will get left up, other guilds will have a shot, you might even see a bit of decorum between people seeing as you losing a target isn't the end of the fucking world when it comes up again in 3 days.

Everyone would just have 5 max gear toons. alts would flourish.