Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[Elmarnieh]

Hey guys, we could always start coh ducking again!

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by FatMice

I think you caught shit because you guys didn't communicate well with FA. Rushing on a KT engage. Leaving a CT track without notifying other guilds. Because you guys where seemingly more casual then, you guys really didn't show up to other raids with your larger numbers than you do now. And be honest, correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that is really boils down to you and your members just not liking Detoxx and old TMO members because how they treated you guys during the heart of Kunark.

I will correct you, because you are wrong. We often expressed our frustration with being told we were to track mobs outside of ToV while FA would sock ToV. We were told numerous times that FA was "too busy in ToV" to track other targets. We stated that, due to not being a part of ToV mobs, that was not our problem. Our other issue was that loot was not being rotated. Instead, 1 top item was rotated, and then there was a pick rotation. We believed a full rotation of items was more fair. Detoxx and Pint disagreed, saying that they did not want to get stuck with no good loot from a mob. My explanation was, that is how a rotation works..

But if you tell Detoxx, hey we have just got trained and don't provide FRAPs or say, "we don't have to show you anything" you just won't get the results you are looking for.

I am of the belief, if you know you did it, why should the other guild have to prove it to you? All you are doing is fishing to see if there is real evidence. Why is the first response, "fraps?". You know you did it.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will correct you, because you are wrong. We often expressed our frustration with being told we were to track mobs outside of ToV while FA would sock ToV. We were told numerous times that FA was "too busy in ToV" to track other targets. We stated that, due to not being a part of ToV mobs, that was not our problem. Our other issue was that loot was not being rotated. Instead, 1 top item was rotated, and then there was a pick rotation. We believed a full rotation of items was more fair. Detoxx and Pint disagreed, saying that they did not want to get stuck with no good loot from a mob. My explanation was, that is how a rotation works..

So leadership didn't come to an agreement. Hence the alliance died.

Most likely this started from a point of, well, entitlement. An attitude of "well we have been there longer or killed these mobs before them." I am not aware of Detoxx's reasoning and nor do I ever say I talk on his behalf so in my opinion the FA and FAT alliances started because there was a point where 4/5 guild were bottle necked at Eashen. It was train on top of train on top of train. Now here is the strategy that, lets say isn't the nicest but where competition is born from, instead of dealing with this lets have them join us and show them how we have been pulling in ToV and successfully killing the raid targets. Note, this is just one possible scenario.

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am of the belief, if you know you did it, why should the other guild have to prove it to you? All you are doing is fishing to see if there is real evidence. Why is the first response, "fraps?". You know you did it.

Give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who you are talking to. The first response is "fraps?" because of the ingrained lawyer questing that has plagued this server. Hoku's planned an exodus off this server that not only woke the sleeper but has now put in motion a guild killing petition query against Forsaken. If we get 1 or 2 more raid petitions against us then we are out 6 days. Then another 7 after that. You think 70 people are willing to wait around for that? So when you get "fraps?" as a response to concede your mob you trained us we need to be sure we did so. Just like you, some of our members haven't FTE'd or aren't perfect and make mistakes. It happens. At the very least if you are going to make accusations have the chutzpah to make an attempt to provide proof and work together. Hell, we worked with CSG and BDA on Trak when we fucked up. We had to concede Trak becuase of our mistakes. It happens.

[Nibblewitz]

The benefit of the doubt that they saw what you did.

[khanable]

Are you really conplaining about getting more suspensions as if you guys are victims?

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you really conplaining about getting more suspensions as if you guys are victims?

No I am saying a negative petition against us would undoubtedly be terrible for us why concede without proof? All while the person asking for a concede doesn't provide proof?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I am saying a negative petition against us would undoubtedly be terrible for us why concede without proof? All while the person asking for a concede doesn't provide proof?

In which case the 2 Mage in NToV rule suggestion is retarded.

It CANNOT be policed.

This server people ALWAYS want FRAPS or Screenshots otherwise they'll keep on killing the mob they FTE'd. You cannot get FRAPS over 3 mages in 3 different locations at a time of pop when you yourself are playing by the rules and only have 2 mages in north.

Back to what I said. Forsaken or Asgard or BDA or CSG or any guild looking to compete in Velious, I'm more than happy to discuss some outlines for rules on foot racing and agreeing to never CotH for FTE. The problem is we need Sirken to ratify the agreement so that real punishment can be handed down for breaking it.

I think if we could come together to find common ground, Sirken would do this.

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Earthquakes would help immensely. I like that Velious quakes reset respawn timers that is nice but they need to be way more frequent. Rogean being the only person with that power though is what is holding them back from occuring.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I am saying a negative petition against us would undoubtedly be terrible for us why concede without proof? All while the person asking for a concede doesn't provide proof?

what

[Man0warr]

There should be more Earthquakes. At least 4 a month - we were promised at least 2 a month during the last raid summit with Rogean.

It all boils down to there not being enough content for this un-classically top heavy server.

[Gorillas]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be more Earthquakes. At least 4 a month - we were promised at least 2 a month during the last raid summit with Rogean.

It all boils down to there not being enough content for this un-classically top heavy server.

That's true, maybe if some of you 5-6 year veterans would move on with your lives other people could enjoy the server