Forsaken is a bait and switch guild, warning to all players

[Pokesan]

500 DKP but not allowed to spend it

How much raiding is 500 DKP?

[Evia]

It's funny this post is being made the day after I myself also decided Forsaken wasnt for me and removed myself from the guild. I want to say first of all that as a whole Forsaken was great to me in my brief time with them. Last night though I attended my first guild meeting in TS3 and learned they utilize a loot council and DKP system and I immediately got a weird/bad feeling about it. Something just didn't add up to me and the explanations given by the leadership didn't make any sense. Saying that they need loot council on certain items in order to be sure people who help the guild by tracking, handling dkp, and other guild helping related tasks, get rewarded accordingly for the extra effort. In my opinion DKP does that naturally and so the council is not needed.

Like I said members of the guild were great to me but after listening to leadership give all these members some run around reason on why they utilize loot council I couldn't help but feel as though the majority of the guild was getting the shaft.

After reading OPs post it confirms the suspicion I was feeling. I've always been a guy who follows his gut and after sitting on that meeting last night I definitely felt like something was off and I just had to follow that intuition.

I honestly wish Forsaken the best and am thankful for the kindness they showed me. A few members are excellent people and I enjoyed my time with them. It's the leadership that unfortunately just gave me some bad/dishonest vibes. I hope I'm mistaken for the sake of the other members but I feel like the majority of the guild is getting swindled.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I attended my first guild meeting in TS3 and learned they utilize a loot council and DKP system and I immediately got a weird/bad feeling about it. Something just didn't add up to me and the explanations given by the leadership didn't make any sense. Saying that they need loot council on certain items in order to be sure people who help the guild by tracking, handling dkp, and other guild helping related tasks, get rewarded accordingly for the extra effort. In my opinion DKP does that naturally and so the council is not needed.

Like I said members of the guild were great to me but after listening to leadership give all these members some run around reason on why they utilize loot council I couldn't help but feel as though the majority of the guild was getting the shaft.

After reading OPs post it confirms the suspicion I was feeling. I've always been a guy who follows his gut and after sitting on that meeting last night I definitely felt like something was off and I just had to follow that intuition.

I honestly wish Forsaken the best and am thankful for the kindness they showed me. A few members are excellent people and I enjoyed my time with them. It's the leadership that unfortunately just gave me some bad/dishonest vibes. I hope I'm mistaken for the sake of the other members but I feel like the majority of the guild is getting swindled.

Forsaken's loot system is completely transparent.

All members and applicants have full access to view all DKP standings, all attendance standings, all tracking standings, every item ever awarded to any member, and for what DKP amount. This information is archived and dated, with additional details to top it all off.

If any member or applicant ever has a question regarding loot, we of the officer core are more than willing to detail everything and anything.

It's impossible to hide anything or to manipulate our system. People have logs of who was awarded what, and when. Our guild policy is that all members are to keep logs running at all times. Every single person in this guild is at all times, free to check all records pertaining to loot, accrued DKP, and item awarding.

Forsaken will not be the guild for everyone, but Forsaken's loot system is incredibly straight-forward, consistent, and transparent.

[lonmoer]

It seems like a lot of guilds do this. I joined Azure Guard and earned a lot of DKP and was saving it up for some good items. In their bid system you can only make a max DKP bid of 200 or so and by golly gosh darn it every time i max bid the the loot council awarded the items to officers. How convenient.

[Savok]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems like a lot of guilds do this. I joined Azure Guard and earned a lot of DKP and was saving it up for some good items. In their bid system you can only make a max DKP bid of 200 or so and by golly gosh darn it every time i max bid the the loot council awarded the items to officers. How convenient.

It's actually 250 and if there is a tie it goes by total DKP to spend. Most Officers are the core of the guild and go to a lot of raids, therefore have more DKP to spend.

(This comes from a member who turns up to raids as and when his schedule will allow and not by the former members already spoken of above)

[Merekai]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems like a lot of guilds do this. I joined Azure Guard and earned a lot of DKP and was saving it up for some good items. In their bid system you can only make a max DKP bid of 200 or so and by golly gosh darn it every time i max bid the the loot council awarded the items to officers. How convenient.

If you bid the max amount and someone else also bid the max amount the item is awarded to the person with the higher amount of DKP available to spend - there was no officer back channel bullshit going on and GTFO for claiming we do crap like that, if you knew what officers did and the time spent in order to better the whole guild you'd understand why I take offense to such an accusation.

Chevey

[Pokesan]

What's straight forward about being awarded DKP but not being allowed to spend it?

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's straight forward about being awarded DKP but not being allowed to spend it?

I cannot speak for the minors here, but as adults, it is our responsibility to ensure that we have read, understood, and accepted the rules for the organizations of which we apply ourselves to. This rule is clear as day, outlined in a permanent policy page located in an easy to find location on our forums under the heading, "Loot Policy". Failure to read or accept these policies are not the responsibility of anyone but those individuals with which are making decisions for themselves.

Anyone who does not like a policy is open to discuss said policy openly with officers. This does not guarantee the change or removal of said policy, but at the end of the day, individuals that reject said policies, should not have applied for membership, or should have respectfully withdrawn said application.

There's nothing wrong with that.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's straight forward about being awarded DKP but not being allowed to spend it?

Lol, this ass hat had 11% life time attendance, ~90 raids out of 900 and he thinks he deserves something for it? His 30 day raid attendance was 0%. Perhaps he should attend a raid if he wants to spend dkp at them.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

~90 raids out of 900 and he thinks he deserves something for it?

I think I deserve to be able to talk about the harassment, TMO officers coming back, loot council changes, and all the other drama without being kicked and given no reason.

Well anyway, there it is. Forsaken expects you to attend 90 raids and get nothing for it. A solid 3+ days of playing EQ for the guild and then kicked for discussing things unrelated to loot.