Grats Andis on Server First AoN Purchase Through In-Game Currency

[Kergan]

EVE is a great example of how item loot can function properly. In that game, for the most part, the "high end loot" is used specifically for the purpose of PVP. The impact of items on the PVE aspect of the game is pretty minimal.

That is based on short and casual observations, but how I understand it.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EVE is a great example of how item loot can function properly. In that game, for the most part, the "high end loot" is used specifically for the purpose of PVP. The impact of items on the PVE aspect of the game is pretty minimal.

That is based on short and casual observations, but how I understand it.

It would take many paragraphs to discuss why the comparison doesn't make much sense, but I would summarize by saying I think your understanding of Eve is incorrect (High end "loot", faction mods I guess?, commonly gets used for both PVE and PVP. It makes a substantial difference in both cases.)

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would take many paragraphs to discuss why the comparison doesn't make much sense, but I would summarize by saying I think your understanding of Eve is incorrect (High end "loot", faction mods I guess?, commonly gets used for both PVE and PVP. It makes a substantial difference in both cases.)

I was thinking more of the big expensive ships. Like I said, my understanding of the game is pretty limited.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking more of the big expensive ships. Like I said, my understanding of the game is pretty limited.

Ships are purchased/crafted so I wouldn't really call them loot (though most loot in the game is currency so it's debatable).

The most expensive ships are super-capitals and they are... generally reserved for PVP, but not because they're aren't useful in PVE, rather there's too much risk of losing them to a batphone-style pk when your support fleet isn't on.

That being said, super-capitals generally aren't individually owned or frequently used. The normal player is going to top out at battleships or maybe a carrier for both PVE and PVP.

[iruinedyourday]

Hah well, what kergan described would make for a good ruleset to make item loot worth it.

[cronik]

Item loot is great. It creates tension and provides meaning in pvp.

It's also a giant pita to manage in a game like EQ. I think item loot (minus weapon slots) is fine for classic, and maybe kunark, but once it goes passed that it has serious issues.

Basically item loot early EQ equates to "do I want to wear my diamond/BD stuff or am I a bitch?" If you didn't wear it your resists probably sucked, and if you did it made a huge impact on pvp, while giving your opponents a chance to get something nice. You couldn't really be a resist god without jewelry early EQ.

I.e. nodrop wasn't enough to compete, while still giving you a serious edge. Kunark era you could supplement planar gear and wear jewelry and still be competitive.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by cronik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot is great. It creates tension and provides meaning in pvp.

It's also a giant pita to manage in a game like EQ. I think item loot (minus weapon slots) is fine for classic, and maybe kunark, but once it goes passed that it has serious issues.

Basically item loot early EQ equates to "do I want to wear my diamond/BD stuff or am I a bitch?" If you didn't wear it your resists probably sucked, and if you did it made a huge impact on pvp, while giving your opponents a chance to get something nice. You couldn't really be a resist god without jewelry early EQ.

I.e. nodrop wasn't enough to compete, while still giving you a serious edge. Kunark era you could supplement planar gear and wear jewelry and still be competitive.

I think the reason item loot somewhat worked in classic was because the droppable items in large part were very replaceable. Whats he worst you could lose, outside dragon loot, HBC? Kunark is what fucked it up, with stuff like Trak BPs and VS legs. Then the risk/reward got hosed. BiS items unless fairly easily replaceable shouldn't be at risk or nobody will bother.

Like you said, the risk you took on RZ in classic was pretty much do you want to lose a diamond ring or not. Diamond rings are by and large a PVP item, and while valuable I think that is the perfect type of item to risk losing in PVP.

[Junebug99]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the reason item loot somewhat worked in classic was because the droppable items in large part were very replaceable. Whats he worst you could lose, outside dragon loot, HBC? Kunark is what fucked it up, with stuff like Trak BPs and VS legs. Then the risk/reward got hosed. BiS items unless fairly easily replaceable shouldn't be at risk or nobody will bother.

Like you said, the risk you took on RZ in classic was pretty much do you want to lose a diamond ring or not. Diamond rings are by and large a PVP item, and while valuable I think that is the perfect type of item to risk losing in PVP.

You so realize Live had item loot with Classic through Luclin
hence Kringe getting his boots of storm looted

[Guido]

when did this post become about item loot?? item loot sucks

back to OP topic



grats andis on AoN

[Redi]

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