What's the reason

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah man lets resort to personal attacks in server chat over shit fucking server. Immersion level overload.

You sure you're in the right place? Baseless personal attacks are part of the culture on Red. We're all mature enough to take it all in good fun.

Or did I miss something?

Regardless, I've been here for years and am in favor of a wipe. I've talked to others who would also lose lots of plat and pixels, who are still in favor of a wipe. Fact is that the entire classic to velious timeline on live didn't even last as long as Kunark did here. The server isn't classic anymore because of its age.

And unlike Blue, where progression is all there is, Red's age is actually detrimental to the server. Hoards of maxed Rogues, Monks, and SKs, every other lowbie is a twink...the PvP meta has shifted immensely.

I know the devs have said they wouldn't wipe. But in the case of Red, I think they should reconsider. It's just not classic anymore, and in truth the meta hasn't been classic for years.

And as far as there being stuff to fight over in Classic, HB, raid targets existed back then and still do. Guess you've forgotten that Vox, Naga, PoS, etc. exist. Limited targets, which don't require humongous raids, means guilds can and will fight over them.

[Lasher]

Need more people who dont play to tell to the people who do that it needs a wipe

[garzahd`]

Originally Posted by easy_lee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sure you're in the right place? Baseless personal attacks are part of the culture on Red. We're all mature enough to take it all in good fun.

Or did I miss something?

Regardless, I've been here for years and am in favor of a wipe. I've talked to others who would also lose lots of plat and pixels, who are still in favor of a wipe. Fact is that the entire classic to velious timeline on live didn't even last as long as Kunark did here. The server isn't classic anymore because of its age.

And unlike Blue, where progression is all there is, Red's age is actually detrimental to the server. Hoards of maxed Rogues, Monks, and SKs, every other lowbie is a twink...the PvP meta has shifted immensely.

I know the devs have said they wouldn't wipe. But in the case of Red, I think they should reconsider. It's just not classic anymore, and in truth the meta hasn't been classic for years.

And as far as there being stuff to fight over in Classic, HB, raid targets existed back then and still do. Guess you've forgotten that Vox, Naga, PoS, etc. exist. Limited targets, which don't require humongous raids, means guilds can and will fight over them.

to long, didn't read. who are you ?

[Widan]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once people hit that ceiling, the vast majority will stop logging in until there's something new to do, which means the pop will drop like it did last time to the low double digits.

How is that any different than the current state of the server? 200 velious prime time vs 80 classic prime time seems about the same to me.

[Monty405]

The only zone enabled should be Gfay. Might have enough population for that.

[Sear]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of people here chiming in who didn't even play classic. The majority of people who play MMO's do so to progress their character. Maxing out your character in classic EQ takes only a couple of weeks if you play hardcore, maybe 2 months max if you play more casually [which people playing a EQ EMU usually don't]. Once people hit that ceiling, the vast majority will stop logging in until there's something new to do, which means the pop will drop like it did last time to the low double digits. A wipe makes it "exciting" for 1 week, maybe 2 weeks tops, until it already becomes very top heavy.

Also everyone will be a bard/druid/shaman/wizard.

Pal, no one gets a Manastone, dragon loot, and Plane of Sky quest armor in one week. I'm not hardcore but it took me months just to hit level 30 here.

I thought the classic progression (vanilla -> Fear/Hate -> Sky) was pretty solid for keeping hardcore players on the hook with new things to do. It's easily the most accessible for casual players.

Not my box to run but if my pop had dipped too much simply because there's a finish line at the end of Velious raiding, I see no better option than just taking the endless loop approach instead of being pressured to feed more expansions to hungry players in a vicious cycle. There's always going to be a lifespan attached to a finite amount of content.

[TacoSmasher]

We really needed another thread like this.

Thanks gzaz, you vertically challenged faggot

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by Sear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my box to run but if my pop had dipped too much simply because there's a finish line at the end of Velious raiding, I see no better option than just taking the endless loop approach instead of being pressured to feed more expansions to hungry players in a vicious cycle. There's always going to be a lifespan attached to a finite amount of content.

This. By playing here instead of on live, we've all already signaled that we want classic content and not the new stuff. Server needs to pick an era and stick with it, reseting based on the classic timeline, in order to be truly authentic.

And classic is the best timeline for us, particularly since this is called Project 1999. It had the least OP gear, the best balance between classes, and a world small enough to find PvP in.

Does anyone really think continuing the current zerg&twink meta is good for the server? I don't think so.

[Huelath]

Originally Posted by easy_lee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. By playing here instead of on live, we've all already signaled that we want classic content and not the new stuff. Server needs to pick an era and stick with it, reseting based on the classic timeline, in order to be truly authentic.

And classic is the best timeline for us, particularly since this is called Project 1999. It had the least OP gear, the best balance between classes, and a world small enough to find PvP in.

Does anyone really think continuing the current zerg&twink meta is good for the server? I don't think so.

lol good one

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Huelath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol good one

And he shoots a 3 pointer. Swish.