Big Thanks to Cloki from Omni

[Man0warr]

"Exploting" was definitely the rationale of the 3 largest Class R Guilds that presented the smaller Guilds with a draconian new ruleset for Class R with repeated ultimatums threatening to break the rotation - "they are exploiting the Class R model". They felt that smaller Guilds assisting each other with kills that they might not be able to take down 24/7 was "exploiting" and wanted to lock those Guilds out of the pixels that they wanted.

So effectively you were taking up 3 slots in a rotation of a mob you couldn't kill as a single guild alone, that was the issue. Hell yea that would piss off the guilds that could kill it solo. It slowed down the entire rotation.

It doesn't matter at this point though. Easier to blame BDA than realizing all the guilds were to blame, large and small.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So effectively you were taking up 3 slots in a rotation of a mob you couldn't kill as a single guild alone, that was the issue. Hell yea that would piss off the guilds that could kill it solo. It slowed down the entire rotation

Each of the Guilds in the rotation killed the mobs solo (or in a fixed partnership occupying one slot) to actually get into the rotation, right? The issue was more about burning out mustering a raid force at 3AM to do some shitty Gore kill. We didn't want to live like that, hence we partnered.

Regards,
Mg

[falkun]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Each of the Guilds in the rotation killed the mobs solo (or in a fixed partnership occupying one slot) to actually get into the rotation, right? The issue was more about burning out mustering a raid force at 3AM to do some shitty Gore kill. We didn't want to live like that, hence we partnered.

Regards,
Mg

The only necessity to get on the rotation list was to ask in raid discussion to be added (which you were then added at the bottom of the list). No guild had to "prove" they could kill any raid target to get on that target's list.

The big three believed if that you should only take up the slots you could solo kill (so if it took 3 guilds to kill, that became a single entity), while the smaller guilds believed they had the right to join for certain targets but not others. The problem being the "big three" were listed once per mob, while an alliance would get to kill it every time a member came up, so a 3-guild alliance (for some mobs) would get to kill the mob thrice as often as "the big three", barring lockouts.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The big three

They were certainly big. Why should the biggest zerg guilds have dictated what was and wasn't achievable?

"Hey guys, we're taking 90 to Trakanon... why u strugglin?"

The emphasis was of course meant to be on the "casual" side of things, not what TMO etc could manage.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only necessity to get on the rotation list was to ask in raid discussion to be added (which you were then added at the bottom of the list). No guild had to "prove" they could kill any raid target to get on that target's list.

They had to kill it to stay on the list, the spreadsheet even had a different color for that scenario...

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem being the "big three" were listed once per mob, while an alliance would get to kill it every time a member came up, so a 3-guild alliance (for some mobs) would get to kill the mob thrice as often as "the big three", barring lockouts.

So what? If three guilds kill mobs in their respective slots does not 1/3 1/3 1/3 add up to one?

Regards,
Mg

[falkun]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what? If three guilds kill mobs in their respective slots does not 1/3 1/3 1/3 add up to one?

Regards,
Mg

The rotation went more like this:
Asgard (arbitrary start, with help from Azure Guard, Europa)
Bregan D`Aerth
Omni (with help from Indignation)
Azure Guard (with help from Asgard, Europa)
Taken
Indignation (with help from Omni)
Divinity
Europa (with help from Azure Guard, Asgard)


Yes I'd need to go a bit further, but you see how it quickly develops that Asgard, Azure Guard, Europa (alliance1) and Omni and Indignation (alliance2) (not historically accurate, but demonstrates my point) are killing mobs two or three times as often as guilds that kill their rotation targets solo. BDA could have cashed in on this by making guilds <Bregan>, <D`>, and <Aerth>, but we didn't. We felt that alliances should play to similar moral standards. How many solo kills did Omni have during the rotation?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Each of the Guilds in the rotation killed the mobs solo (or in a fixed partnership occupying one slot) to actually get into the rotation, right? The issue was more about burning out mustering a raid force at 3AM to do some shitty Gore kill. We didn't want to live like that, hence we partnered.

Regards,
Mg

Letting it go Class R FFA as was built into the rotation wasn't an option?

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Letting it go Class R FFA as was built into the rotation wasn't an option?

Sure. Of course then the Big3 would whine that the Guild wasn't capable of killing the mob and want to push them out of the spot for moar pixels. Of course the ultimatums formalized that.

Regards,
Mg

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure. Of course then the Big3 would whine that the Guild wasn't capable of killing the mob and want to push them out of the spot for moar pixels. Of course the ultimatums formalized that.

Regards,
Mg

Why would they do that? They'd be getting more pixels and be on lockout, you can always hope for a better window next time.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure. Of course then the Big3 would whine that the Guild wasn't capable of killing the mob and want to push them out of the spot for moar pixels. Of course the ultimatums formalized that.

Regards,
Mg

Man you got brainwashed. If the big 3 guilds wanted "moar pixels" then there wouldn't have been a rotation in the first place which of course is the only reason Omni exists, a splinter guild created for the sole purpose of using the rotation to get kills. Keep on doing your thing though, I'm sure Cloki's 5th twink could use some epics, like his ranger or Gats' level 24 wizard y'all decided to epic. I guess it's dire straights over there anyways seeing that Gats took off, he must have run out of twinks to gear.