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[snufzaimoverlord]

This thread turned ridiculous, there's no guns in norrath.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by snufzaimoverlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread turned ridiculous, there's no guns in norrath.

Sure there is! The BFG son

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[Bionic]

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more gun owners' children get into their safes & shoot themselves or friends accidentally resulting in a fatality, than there are gun owners who have successfully used a gun to defend themselves from home invasion.

Why limit your statement "home invasions"? Why not extend your parameters to include robberies, assaults, car thefts, etc. Does it fall apart once the more situations are introduced, thereby negating your talking point? Tell me, do your stats include occurrences where the intruder ran after hearing a shell being chambered, or is it only contained to those in which shots were fired? Please provide a link to data on which your statement is derived.



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Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See to me, banning a weapon that's only purpose is to mow down human beings seems like common sense.

Your statement would be valid if ALL sides were considering the ban and no one had them. Taking them from one group of people while leaving them in the hands of another other could lead to a situation like what Empire does to whoever gets in their way nightly. You know that feeling well I'm sure.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Bionic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why limit your statement "home invasions"? Why not extend your parameters to include robberies, assaults, car thefts, etc. Does it fall apart once the more situations are introduced, thereby negating your talking point? Tell me, do your stats include occurrences where the intruder ran after hearing a shell being chambered, or is it only contained to those in which shots were fired? Please provide a link to data on which your statement is derived.[/COLOR][/B]

Because home invasions is the fantasy scenario gun owners use to justify keeping a firearm in their home. So yeah I guess let's make a more fair comparison:

21,175 suicides by firearm in 2013 (the #1 method of suicide and #1 cause of firearms deaths)
8,454 homicide by firearm in 2013
5,782 by handguns
approx 600 accidental deaths by firearm per year

while
223 justifiable homicides (home intruders killed, statistic is inflated by ALL other justifiable homicides so in this scenario it would be much lower) 2013, out of 1,599,047 residential robberies committed the same year.

so, a gun is 94x more likely to be used by its owner to commit suicide than to kill someone in self defense. almost 38x more likely to be used in a homicide. over 2.6x as likely to kill an innocent bystander in a misfire accident.

there are no credible sources which have ever reported on defensive gun use, so there are no credible statistics for situations such as "flashes gun, person runs" sadly. the NRA won't even provide a statistic (LOL) but rather they cite anecdotal stories (because this is a fantasy scenario)

sources: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2009-2013.xls
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2009-2013.xls
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2009-2013.xls
http://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/...ings-NYAGV.pdf

[Tassador]

There is an estimated 500 million guns in the USA, you want to stop selling guns and start collecting those? gun control won't stop Islamic terrorist it will help them, fuck those people. We need the nsa and the fbi to start monitoring text messages and social sites like George bush crew was trying to do with the patriot act. Ignore petty crime and use that tool to fuck these bozos in the culo.

[DRAGONBAIT]

Originally Posted by Tassador [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is an estimated 500 million guns in the USA, you want to stop selling guns and start collecting those? gun control won't stop Islamic terrorist it will help them, fuck those people. We need the nsa and the fbi to start monitoring text messages and social sites like George bush crew was trying to do with the patriot act. Ignore petty crime and use that tool to fuck these bozos in the culo.

u think they dont do that? theres a software who was developed long ago who monitorizes each inet name and stocks all the info autommatically, i dont remember the name but this is shared knowledge, they are doing that since lots of years ago.

they are not interested in stoping terrorism, they found it.

[DRAGONBAIT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pYHN9iC9I


check it xd. lots of ways to do it

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by DRAGONBAIT [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pYHN9iC9I


check it xd. lots of ways to do it

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[DRAGONBAIT]

yeah thats fun, cia has an automated software to do it tho. when wikileaks leaked those documents all the info about its development was in there, the corporation who developed it etc, i just dont feel going back to check all that info.

tldr : they do know everytning about us, they do monitor text messages even the wassap coded ones even they say that they cant. they found terrorism dont fight it.

[Tassador]

Sorry I only click jibken and vouss links because they actually contain pvp.