Magi P Earth staff drop yet?

[Littlestgnome]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inny is easy to kill in 1.0 and even if it was rare it was accessible and 'easy' to get because you knew where to look once every week. If they moved it to a mini that can essentially spawn anytime (with so many guilds up there it's like playing whack-a-mole these days) and made it 5% drop rate then that would make it less accessible.

This isn't proof of anything, just logic.

By that standard no item in the entire game is rare because information on where each item drops and who or what drops it is readily available. Likewise, "Inny is easy to kill" is a fine point to make in a setting where competition is not an issue, but we know this to be meaningless on p99 where competition at the guild level eliminates the vast majority of the server from being in on the kill let alone the loot.

The greater point of course is the idea that the drop rate has been altered at all or that it's known what the drop rate ever was to begin with. I'm quite sure there are many who would argue that a 5% drop rate constitutes a heavy uptick from where it's been these past five years or so. We do after all have a fairly robust sample size to draw from. We also have the ability to do math.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Littlestgnome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but we know this to be meaningless on p99 where competition at the guild level eliminates the vast majority of the server from being in on the kill let alone the loot.

There are few guilds on this server that could not have competitively gone for Inny after so many years in kunark.

BDA, Taken, Divinity, Rampage, Forsaken, Anonymous, Azure Guard, Omni, Europa, and What-was-one-Haggard-Krew all have scored or had a really good shot at an Inny 1.0 kill in and outside of Earthquakes.

They most definitely make up the majority of the server. Heck, BDA's roster alone makes up the majority of the server.


Anyway, now you are including Super Friends, Kittens, Clue, and any one or two PUB group that sits in Hate for a few hours to the competitive circle for a mob that is essentially untrackable and most certainly snipeable by the biggest of guilds from entrance. (I've had it happen to me twice, both times while he had a staff in hand...both fire staffs).



Bottom line here though is that since Hate 1.5 no earth staffs have dropped on record and I've been watching this very close. Since revamp, NO mages have completed their epic since Inny doesn't drop the earth staff and the Magi Pasta isn't dropping it either. Not cool Devs, not cool.

[Merekai]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are few guilds on this server that could not have competitively gone for Inny after so many years in kunark.

BDA, Taken, Divinity, Rampage, Forsaken, Anonymous, Azure Guard, Omni, Europa, and What-was-one-Haggard-Krew all have scored or had a really good shot at an Inny 1.0 kill in and outside of Earthquakes.

They most definitely make up the majority of the server. Heck, BDA's roster alone makes up the majority of the server.


Anyway, now you are including Super Friends, Kittens, Clue, and any one or two PUB group that sits in Hate for a few hours to the competitive circle for a mob that is essentially untrackable and most certainly snipeable by the biggest of guilds from entrance. (I've had it happen to me twice, both times while he had a staff in hand...both fire staffs).



Bottom line here though is that since Hate 1.5 no earth staffs have dropped on record and I've been watching this very close. Since revamp, NO mages have completed their epic since Inny doesn't drop the earth staff and the Magi Pasta isn't dropping it either. Not cool Devs, not cool.

Hope this is fixed soon, we killed yesterday and surprise! No staff..

Chev

[Littlestgnome]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are few guilds on this server that could not have competitively gone for Inny after so many years in kunark.

BDA, Taken, Divinity, Rampage, Forsaken, Anonymous, Azure Guard, Omni, Europa, and What-was-one-Haggard-Krew all have scored or had a really good shot at an Inny 1.0 kill in and outside of Earthquakes.

They most definitely make up the majority of the server. Heck, BDA's roster alone makes up the majority of the server.


Anyway, now you are including Super Friends, Kittens, Clue, and any one or two PUB group that sits in Hate for a few hours to the competitive circle for a mob that is essentially untrackable and most certainly snipeable by the biggest of guilds from entrance. (I've had it happen to me twice, both times while he had a staff in hand...both fire staffs).



Bottom line here though is that since Hate 1.5 no earth staffs have dropped on record and I've been watching this very close. Since revamp, NO mages have completed their epic since Inny doesn't drop the earth staff and the Magi Pasta isn't dropping it either. Not cool Devs, not cool.

In many ways we're on the same side here. I still think you're confusing ability to kill with actual kills. As a former member of Clue I can assure you at no point in time prior to Velious were we ever at a point where we had the means, the manpower and/or the mobility needed to attempt an Inny kill. And unless they've made some major strides in the last two+ months I'd extend this to being the case even now.

The issue is not what a particular guild is capable of doing if left to their own devices. It's what they're capable of doing in comparison to similarly motivated guilds they are in direct competition with. A rotation can help to spread the wealth a bit but it still boils down to only one Inny kill a week (roughly) and for the most part only one guild in on that kill. So again, theoretically speaking lots of Mages had an opportunity each and every week to get their staff from Inny. In reality, few mains ever had a direct opportunity of getting their staff each week.

What I absolutely do agree with you on is that a) the Earth staff has always been the single biggest road block for Mages to complete their epic, and b) Magi P'tasa should be relieving that road block to some degree yet he is not. Personally I believe the loot table itself is wrong. As I said previously, I never once saw or heard of any Mage seeing the Fire staff drop off P'tasa in those years. I believe available comments from that era confirm this not only in terms of stating what did drop from a given P'tasa kill, but also by the conspicuous lack of mentions regarding the Fire staff ever dropping. It makes me curious why they believe the current loot table and drop rate is correct and what information they're basing it off of specifically.

[dafier]

Even though this was said in other posts, I will concur.

Magi P'Tasa drops the Earth staff for sure in this version. He does NOT drop the Fire staff (not supposed to), also his chance of drop IS FOR A FACT better than Inny's previous drop rate. This is beyond evident with a bit of research.

Plain and simple Mages rejoiced on live when Hate 2.0 came out. EVERY mage I knew on Povar, including myself were waiting on that damn Earth staff to complete our epics.

When Hate 2.0 was released, I got my staff within the first 3 days on live.

EDIT:

Not every Mage. I had a mage friend in Triton that had his epic.

[Dwadar2005]

Bastard Magi only spawns at really horrible times so far lol. 3am kinda times when no force is able to be gathered ( for me atleast)

[Laphi]

Nilbog posted Magi can drop earth staff now and Fire staff moved to mistress loot table. This is all pending update.

[botrainer]

This one item is the major hold up for all mages. Everything else should be decently easy to grab as plane of sky was farmed for years. This earth staff I feel has only gotten harder as any number of guilds with 2 grouped sized 50 plus in it can now kill this mob. Also they can be in zone and or on top of spawn points too.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by botrainer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This one item is the major hold up for all mages. Everything else should be decently easy to grab as plane of sky was farmed for years. This earth staff I feel has only gotten harder as any number of guilds with 2 grouped sized 50 plus in it can now kill this mob. Also they can be in zone and or on top of spawn points too.

This.

[J. Jones]

I was fortunate enough to be one of those mages who obtained his epic within a month after epic release. Being one of the few for so long and envied by hundreds of mages sure did rustle my jimmy's. I knew the end would come and mages foaming at the mouth for a earth staff who waited for 2 years to finally get their share is coming soon. So I am glad I am squeezing the final few weeks left before the precious mage epic becomes a dime a dozen. Hate 1.5 got released way too fast btw.