Question regarding camp rules

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

[Uthgaard]

If you want claim to a camp, you have to be present and able to respond to camp checks within a reasonable about of time. You can't just park a character there afk for 35 hours and 59 minutes and expect to monopolize it.

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping a mob is a privelege, not a right. If someone wants the privelege of having sole claim to a mob, they have to make the sacrifice of whatever else they could be doing with themselves. Claim to a camp is a considerable advantage, it comes with a cost. Choose wisely.

[fohkure]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want claim to a camp, you have to be present and able to respond to camp checks within a reasonable about of time. You can't just park a character there afk for 35 hours and 59 minutes and expect to monopolize it.

This seems painfully obvious to me, the part you quoted anyways. If you fd/hide at a camp and go watch a movie, you aren't giving up anything but a higher electricity bill. Anyone can do that instead of camping out or afking in EC tunnel while they leave. What gives a person reasonable claim to a camp is the sacrifice of doing something else, not just in game either. The reason people who get to a movie an hour early get the best seats is because they gave up an hour of their lives to get those seats. It seems like the same thing to me.

Camping rare stuff is not supposed to be easy, that's the whole point.

Chris

[john_savage1982]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want claim to a camp, you have to be present and able to respond to camp checks within a reasonable about of time. You can't just park a character there afk for 35 hours and 59 minutes and expect to monopolize it.

Are you saying I must constantly be watching zone channels for camp checks? Half the time I don't even read chat while I'm playing. Also how would somebody go about "proving" somebody was afk for that long? Are people now required to respond to tells to verify non-afk?

I'm sorry if the rules aren't crystal clear how do you intent to enforce anything?

[Evilmog]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you saying I must constantly be watching zone channels for camp checks? Half the time I don't even read chat while I'm playing. Also how would somebody go about "proving" somebody was afk for that long? Are people now required to respond to tells to verify non-afk?

I'm sorry if the rules aren't crystal clear how do you intent to enforce anything?

Do what I've done to Hadden campers a few times.

/tell camper Haddens there
/tell camper Hello?!?!
You have slain Hadden

In summary yes. Responding to tells is a good way to prove you arent afk

[Nuggie]

^^ ----clarification

[john_savage1982]

if hadden is there and he isn't being killed is one thing, going afk for most of the spawn time and returning 20 minutes before to make sure you weren't off in your calculation insuring you can attack as soon as he spawns is another.

i don't really care if people aren't there. look at the poopsockers. most of them aren't there most of the time. if they aren't there when the mob spawns they risk losing it. i say say idea for other camps.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look at the poopsockers. most of them aren't there most of the time. if they aren't there when the mob spawns they risk losing it. i say say idea for other camps.

Boss spawns are on a random timer within a window, so going afk for 8 hours during the window is a risk. If you see hadden killed at 12pm, you can go afk until 5:59pm without any risk of missing the spawn.

John also brings up not watching shout/ooc channels. I would say you should only be worried about tells since it can be easy to tune out those channels.

Thanks Uthgaard for clearing this up. I'm bookmarking this until it gets added to the camp rules...preferably with a definition of what a 'reasonable time' to respond to tells would be.

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if hadden is there and he isn't being killed is one thing, going afk for most of the spawn time and returning 20 minutes before to make sure you weren't off in your calculation insuring you can attack as soon as he spawns is another.

i don't really care if people aren't there. look at the poopsockers. most of them aren't there most of the time. if they aren't there when the mob spawns they risk losing it. i say say idea for other camps.

I would say this falls under the "respond in a reasonable amount of time" window.

If the spawn won't be up for two hours and you're there but not responding to my tells, I wouldn't just assume the camp is now mine. I may sit there with you if I want the camp bad enough, but I would keep trying to get a response from you before making a move of my own.

If the spawn is ten minutes away and you aren't responding to tells, it's getting a little gray, but I'd give you the benefit of the doubt when it spawns and give you a chance to engage first since you were clearly there before me.

If the mob pops and you aren't responding to tells: too bad for you.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Chanus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the spawn won't be up for two hours and you're there but not responding to my tells, I wouldn't just assume the camp is now mine. I may sit there with you if I want the camp bad enough, but I would keep trying to get a response from you before making a move of my own.

If the spawn is ten minutes away and you aren't responding to tells, it's getting a little gray, but I'd give you the benefit of the doubt when it spawns and give you a chance to engage first since you were clearly there before me.

If the mob pops and you aren't responding to tells: too bad for you.

This doesn't really solve the issue, and I don't think it's in the spirit of the rule that Uthgaard stated. It would still allow for people to park their character in the morning, leave their house for 7 hours and 55 minutes, and then show up for the spawn.

If I get to a spawn 4 hours early and try for an hour to get you to respond to tells, and then you finally respond 2 hours later, I would argue that you weren't maintaining a presence at the camp and lost your right to it. However if the server rules stated something more specific I'd happily abide by them...this is just what I interpret to be fair.

Responding to tells every 20-30 minutes isn't too ridiculous of an obligation at these types of camps, especially given that most camps force you to some kind of action every 20-30 minutes to keep the camp held.