An account of corruption. Too long to read and Chest kills his own group because Bad - Page 25

jcr4990 · #1 10-24-2015, 01:04 PM

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Ancient Cyclops:

I show up and wait around. The guy killing it gets a ring and kills himself to leave it on his corpse. As soon as he dies and gets LOADING, PLEASE WAIT... I seize the camp.

There was a list, but do I just now supersede the list and own the camp because the guy who was holding the camp and enforcing the list did not have his kill force present?

I'm absolutely 100% not complaining if these are the rules. I just want to know the rules and where and how they apply so that I can follow them to the best of my ability.

I just want to learn how to play like all the veterans on the server and am not complaining about the rules.

Here's my concern... I KNOW that if I did the above tactic the guy is going to cry foul. He will yell profanities are me. I will, rightfully, take the AC and own it from then on. (It's not KSing because I own the camp). He will petition.

Now here's the part where it gets confusing... I'm pretty sure no one will answer the petition. But let's say someone does. Will they rule on my side?

Even though the rules seem clear from this instance it seems very difficult to predict which way they will rule. So I suppose I should just test it out?

You win some, you lose some. Maybe it really comes down to more being WHO you are then being WHAT you are doing. If so then the only way to win P99 is to build up a rep.

My understanding of the rules is you're in the clear maintaining your camp regardless of where you move within the zone or corpsing items.etc as long as you're back and ready to engage when the mob spawns.

The reason Nixxar was ruled against is because Puppets spawned and he didn't have a force ready to kill them and we did. Ragefire is a special case because its a triggered raid target which grants you a 20 minute window to engage after triggering.

fishingme · #2 10-24-2015, 02:03 PM

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My understanding of the rules is you're in the clear maintaining your camp regardless of where you move within the zone or corpsing items.etc as long as you're back and ready to engage when the mob spawns.

The reason Nixxar was ruled against is because Puppets spawned and he didn't have a force ready to kill them and we did. Ragefire is a special case because its a triggered raid target which grants you a 20 minute window to engage after triggering.

To your own words and gms words, they should of had a 20 minute window to attack the mobs because its a "triggered raid target" The dude was literally back within a minute and a half.

jcr4990 · #3 10-24-2015, 05:08 PM

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To your own words and gms words, they should of had a 20 minute window to attack the mobs because its a "triggered raid target" The dude was literally back within a minute and a half.

Puppets are a raid target? Hahahaha

fishingme · #4 10-24-2015, 06:26 PM

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Puppets are a raid target? Hahahaha

Anything over 2 lvl 60s = a raid force to me in this thread, bro. Especially when two people can duo them which after reading the first couple pages of this thread is pretty clear that BDA Doesn't have the knowledge to duo them.

Lisset · #5 10-24-2015, 12:45 PM

The "rules" are whatever a guide or GM decides at that time. Just accept it.

dragonhawk · #6 10-24-2015, 12:48 PM

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The "rules" are whatever a guide or GM decides at that time. Just accept it.

Ok... but the next question then is...

who are the guides and GMs? Is there a list somewhere? Maybe we can find patterns in the way they rule so that we can predict which way things will go.

This is how you deal with judges IRL... you learn the way that judges tend to rule and then you can make bets

If you're a casual player with no hope of ever getting in on something like AC, this rule gives you hope. You can make a bet that the guy camping AC will not have a kill force present at some point and now you might actually be able to get some loot without poopsocking

Plackers · #7 10-24-2015, 12:52 PM

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Ok... but the next question then is...

who are the guides and GMs? Is there a list somewhere? Maybe we can find patterns in the way they rule so that we can predict which way things will go.

This is how you deal with judges IRL... you learn the way that judges tend to rule and then you can make bets

If you're a casual player with no hope of ever getting in on something like AC, this rule gives you hope. You can make a bet that the guy camping AC will not have a kill force present at some point and now you might actually be able to get some loot without poopsocking

Just don't play on blue and you won't have to deal with GM rulings or these players.

Kekephee · #8 10-24-2015, 01:07 PM

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Just don't play on blue and you won't have to deal with GM rulings or any players whatsoever.

Llandris · #9 10-24-2015, 01:15 PM

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Ok... but the next question then is...

who are the guides and GMs? Is there a list somewhere? Maybe we can find patterns in the way they rule so that we can predict which way things will go.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=128771

dragonhawk · #10 10-24-2015, 01:29 PM

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http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=128771

Is Tanthalas still around? Clicking the link shows up blank

Looks like most of the guides barely ever post at all

There is an implicit debate in this thread... the question is whether guides are predictable in following some rules or if their interpretations significantly vary.

The BDA side says they are consistent and this was just an appropriate application of some complex rules. I think Trolololo has convinced me here.. seems like Nixxar presented a misleading selection of facts but omitted the key fact that the puppets were up while his pal was relogging.