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Old 10-22-2015, 05:39 PM
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And mages make fantastic pullers. TMO used them to great effect when the rules dictated no PC could be on 1.5 to pull nobles. Send a mage pet up to noble and there's not a PC on the island!
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Old 10-22-2015, 05:41 PM
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So lemme get this straight. Taken pulls mob across zone. BDA tries to pull as its pathing back and fails. Forsaken pulls unintentionally as its pathing back and wipes. God damn BDA's fault again!

Makes a lot of sense dude. You totally aren't making yourself look like a fool. Please keep posting.

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Old 10-22-2015, 06:00 PM
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:05 PM
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Divinity uses a mage puller for WToV all the time, and he's pretty successful.
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:24 PM
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Maker is just upset Detoxx and his slimy ways failed.as usual,so he is getting his dkp for blaming a guild who isn't at fault. Sound familiar?
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:25 PM
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Maner even dang phone
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Old 10-23-2015, 10:41 AM
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Whatever happened to just fighting apart as his spot? I know on live we coh'd right in front of him. Just had to kill the green con mini's, took me a lot of deaths to find the spot but skips everything and no trains. Easy peasy
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:50 PM
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Whatever happened to just fighting apart as his spot? I know on live we coh'd right in front of him. Just had to kill the green con mini's, took me a lot of deaths to find the spot but skips everything and no trains. Easy peasy
What Manowarr said.

On live, where most servers had either a rotation or a "first in force" atmosphere (if not a rule), guilds that had designs on killing a target rarely had to worry about another guild running past them to engage it while they killed trash.

In your scenario on P99, you CoTH your raid to the target and pull the trash or two around the boss. The moment the trash aggros you, another guild will tag the boss and run away with it.

On P99, guilds can't kill trash, they have to train it away, kite it, or just deal with it while they kill the boss.

It got this way because 200 people would sit on target spawns and insta-gib targets. The staff, correctly I think, didn't like this. So they made a rule that you couldn't be past IZ when a target spawns or you'd be DQ'd from engaging the mob. The guild that gets aggro first gets the mob, which seems like a logical idea, but it creates a system where no one wants to kill trash because the second the boss is alone, another guild will tag it.

Personally, I think raid targets should be treated like literally every other static spawn in the game. They're just big camps. You have to have a force there strong enough to kill the target, and as long as you have that force there, no one else can come in and take your mob.

Both take staff intervention to enforce, and switching to FIF would have some growing pains of course.

The difference is, with FIF, the target is claimed in a peaceful train-free IZ, rather than people frapsing trash trains and fighting about who trained who and whether a pull is a train or whatever.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:18 PM
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Because on Live you had no competition waiting behind you to engage trash mobs so they can leapfrog right over and grab the boss.

That's why training shit around exists on this server.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:29 PM
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Because on Live you had no competition waiting behind you to engage trash mobs so they can leapfrog right over and grab the boss.

That's why training shit around exists on this server.
Oh it was always a race, but aary was never pulled. Fight him in the hall corner so it's just a race to that area, not a shitshow of pulls all over tov
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