The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[Maner]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, Taken pulled Ikatair out of NToV. BDA happens to get a couple FTEs (but continues to let him path back to his room), and it's our fault he was a) initially trained out of NToV and b) that Elament left his guild's camp, got a brand new FTE, and trained his own guild. Please tell me how BDA getting two split second FTEs changed the fate of Ikatair. The same events would have happened if BDA hadn't been in the zone.

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

Remove BDA from the equation, the same thing would have happened.

150 people were past that door and were wiped by your train. It wasn't just forsaken as rampage and asgard were also killed by your pull.

You mean your mage's pull? FTE is all that matters, and your mage had it.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove BDA from the equation, the same thing would have happened.



You mean your mage's pull? FTE is all that matters, and your mage had it.

chest aggroing iki to try and pull him out of the train constitutes a pull. That train pathing back and agroing people and sending out a new FTE message is not a pull and does not somehow give responsibility for that train to elament. Look up the raiding rules yourself, its quite clear about what constitutes a train I believe.

Taken has already apologized for the training, so remove BDA from the equation and there wouldn't even be a problem. Add BDA and their constant deflection as opposed to just being adults and you have a RNF post.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

chest aggroing iki to try and pull him out of the train constitutes a pull. That train pathing back and agroing people and sending out a new FTE message is not a pull and does not somehow give responsibility for that train to elament. Look up the raiding rules yourself, its quite clear about what constitutes a train I believe.

Taken has already apologized for the training, so remove BDA from the equation and there wouldn't even be a problem. Add BDA and their constant deflection as opposed to just being adults and you have a RNF post.

You must be new to the raid scene, FTE is FTE regardless if its obtained by a monk, an SK, a bard, or, in this case, a mage. It was a pull because your mage brought a mob he FTE'd back to your camp. It is not BDA's responsibility to make sure your FTE's and engages do not contain adds and that the mob arrives in camp when your raid is ready to engage. Blame your pullers.

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

Still Takens train IMO.

Don't pull targets across the zone.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

So an unaggroed train that BDA intercepts is now our responsibility? By that VERY SAME LOGIC, the train no longer belonged to BDA and ownership was transferred to Elaments of Forgard the moment he FTE'd. How can you sit there and say it was BDA's train even though your puller was running it back in to your camp as well?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

If Taken initially pulled it and BDA just tried to split Iki as he was pathing back how in the shit could it possibly be blamed on BDA? Like others have said if BDA wasn't even in the zone the same result would have happened. You desperately want to peg this on BDA but you're being ridiculous. Lot's of accusations against Chest for not "manning up" and admitting when his guild is at fault (Even when they aren't) yet nobody wants to take the blame for being out of camp resulting in the aggroing the mob to begin with.

Not a real bright fella are ya?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Taken initially pulled it and BDA just tried to split Iki as he was pathing back how in the shit could it possibly be blamed on BDA? Like others have said if BDA wasn't even in the zone the same result would have happened. You desperately want to peg this on BDA but you're being ridiculous. Lot's of accusations against Chest for not "manning up" and admitting when his guild is at fault (Even when they aren't) yet nobody wants to take the blame for being out of camp resulting in the aggroing the mob to begin with.

Not a real bright fella are ya?

Taken already manned up and apologized for training and said they wouldn't pull ntov to wtov. trying to split the boss out of a train constitutes a pull. If BDA had let the train reset then you are right, it wouldn't have been their problem. However instead of letting it reset they attempted to split the named out making it the 2nd pull, and thus taking responsibility for Taken's train.

No one was out of camp, that is your fearless leader spinning shit so he doesn't have to admit to making a stupid call. When people aren't training mobs all over TOV you can move around the stairs and even outside of the door without a problem. Neither BDA or Taken gave warning of what they were doing ahead of time or what the status of their trains was. So how do you expect people behind a closed door, that doesn't stop agro anyway, to know that a train is currently pathing back?

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sun Oct 11 20:07:58 2015] Ikatiar the Venom engages Cashrip! <--- Who?
[Sun Oct 11 20:08:24 2015] Ikatiar the Venom engages Relbaic!
[Sun Oct 11 20:08:55 2015] Ikatiar the Venom engages Chest!
[Sun Oct 11 20:09:27 2015] Ikatiar the Venom engages Elament! <-- Idiot TMO mage who wiped TMO's raid

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cashrip is taken iirc.

[falkun]

Taken trains Forgard. Down with AssForTaken.