RMTers discuss P1999 dsetup.dll "includes some NSA-level intrusive scans on your PC"

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much, a DLL can do all of that. But his doesn't that is the key.

It'd set off AVs and then some. And not just on runtime; it only sets off AVs on runtime because it's packed with Themida. If it was sending your bank information or recording keystrokes you figured someone would've picked that up by now.

To be fair, most of your replies in this thread as well as the official explanation are NSA-level in response to the Snowden revelations.

You and the staff have provided some good insight, and the people appreciate your engagement on it.

But you ultimately shrug responsibility for power a .dll like this can provide and demand blind faith and trust in who has access to the data and who can manipulate the data.

Without a 3rd party being allowed to examine the code and determine whether it can be used maliciously, or outlining who is given access and when aka more detail oversight assurance etc., all due respect, you are essentially just blowing smoke and sweet nothings like the NSA.

Just saying.

[Ostros]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, most of your replies in this thread as well as the official explanation are NSA-level in response to the Snowden revelations.

You and the staff have provided some good insight, and the people appreciate your engagement on it.

But you ultimately shrug responsibility for power a .dll like this can provide and demand blind faith and trust in who has access to the data and who can manipulate the data.

Without a 3rd party being allowed to examine the code and determine whether it can be used maliciously, or outlining who is given access and when aka more detail oversight assurance etc., all due respect, you are essentially just blowing smoke and sweet nothings like the NSA.

Just saying.

I hope you're just being stupid on purpose like the other guy.

[simp403]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, most of your replies in this thread as well as the official explanation are NSA-level in response to the Snowden revelations.

You and the staff have provided some good insight, and the people appreciate your engagement on it.

But you ultimately shrug responsibility for power a .dll like this can provide and demand blind faith and trust in who has access to the data and who can manipulate the data.

Without a 3rd party being allowed to examine the code and determine whether it can be used maliciously, or outlining who is given access and when aka more detail oversight assurance etc., all due respect, you are essentially just blowing smoke and sweet nothings like the NSA.

Just saying.

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[Alaron01]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much, a DLL can do all of that. But his doesn't that is the key.

It'd set off AVs and then some. And not just on runtime; it only sets off AVs on runtime because it's packed with Themida. If it was sending your bank information or recording keystrokes you figured someone would've picked that up by now.

I believe you that it doesn't do anything malicious. However, it's completely reasonable to be suspicious of it. I don't see any supporting arguments for your case.

Originally Posted by Secrets

Dump the DLL and reverse it yourself if you're so concerned. I know what it does and I am not concerned.

There are not many people who can do this. This expectation is absurd and makes you look silly.

I don't understand why this shouldn't be open sourced. I mean it is trivial to reverse it anyway, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ostros]

Originally Posted by Alaron01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe you that it doesn't do anything malicious. However, it's completely reasonable to be suspicious of it. I don't see any supporting arguments for your case.



There are not many people who can do this. This expectation is absurd and makes you look silly.

I don't understand why this shouldn't be open sourced. I mean it is trivial to reverse it anyway, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It's perfectly reasonable to be tinfoil over a .dll file, but asking me to investigate facts is just silly." Alaron01 - 2015

[Alaron01]

Originally Posted by Ostros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It's perfectly reasonable to be tinfoil over a .dll file, but asking me to investigate facts is just silly." Alaron01 - 2015

Downloading executable code off the internet is like sticking your dick into a glory hole. You would really rather like to know what's on the other side. Sometimes it just feels so good (P99) that you don't care.

Anyway, let's break it down into parts.

It's perfectly reasonable to be tinfoil over a .dll file,

Tinfoil, perhaps not. It does make me ask: what is this and what does it do?

but asking me to investigate facts is just silly

Let's assume that you are a young child who wants to verify that humanity has indeed traveled to the moon. When you ask your father he could do one of two things,

1) Offer some documentation of the journey to the moon. It could be a book with pictures or a TV documentary. Something like that.
2) He could tell you that you must make the journey yourself and find the footsteps left by the original astronauts.

Telling normal people to decompile DLLs is similar to option 2. I'm saying that although you may possess the technical chops to do so, you should be remain empathetic with those who don't. It's an asinine thing to say.

Anyway, I hadn't seen Rogean's description of what the DLL did in the reddit thread until now. I'm fine with that. That's more like option 1.

In summary, "I like to stick my cock in random glory holes" - Ostros

[Ostros]

Originally Posted by Alaron01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In summary, "I like to stick my cock in random glory holes" - Ostros

Wait a minute, that was you? Your mouth is soft. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ostros]

Originally Posted by Alaron01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Downloading executable code off the internet is like sticking your dick into a glory hole. You would really rather like to know what's on the other side. Sometimes it just feels so good (P99) that you don't care.

Anyway, let's break it down into parts.

It's perfectly reasonable to be tinfoil over a .dll file,

Tinfoil, perhaps not. It does make me ask: what is this and what does it do?

but asking me to investigate facts is just silly

Let's assume that you are a young child who wants to verify that humanity has indeed traveled to the moon. When you ask your father he could do one of two things,

1) Offer some documentation of the journey to the moon. It could be a book with pictures or a TV documentary. Something like that.
2) He could tell you that you must make the journey yourself and find the footsteps left by the original astronauts.

Telling normal people to decompile DLLs is similar to option 2. I'm saying that although you may possess the technical chops to do so, you should be remain empathetic with those who don't. It's an asinine thing to say.

Anyway, I hadn't seen Rogean's description of what the DLL did in the reddit thread until now. I'm fine with that. That's more like option 1.

Do you even know what a .dll is? I mean I guess not, since you bold faced admitted it. Let me give you a hint: it's not an .exe

And no, fuck empathy here. You hopped RIGHT on that paranoid tardwagon instead of researching fully first. There's a difference between "hey what's this and what does it do?" and "here's an article on DLL injection and a barely coherent explanation of my understanding of it".

Come on, now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Alaron01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's assume that you are a young child who wants to verify that humanity has indeed traveled to the moon. When you ask your father he could do one of two things,

1) Offer some documentation of the journey to the moon. It could be a book with pictures or a TV documentary. Something like that.
2) He could tell you that you must make the journey yourself and find the footsteps left by the original astronauts.

Telling normal people to decompile DLLs is similar to option 2. I'm saying that although you may possess the technical chops to do so, you should be remain empathetic with those who don't. It's an asinine thing to say.

Its a troll. You can't "decompile" a .dll file. Period.

Even your precious RedGuides is just speculating and making baseless accusations after "decompiling" (LOL) and attempting to make sense of a "decompiled" .dll.

Good smoke though, completely derailed constructive discussion.

[Rararboker]

Originally Posted by Alaron01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe you that it doesn't do anything malicious. However, it's completely reasonable to be suspicious of it. I don't see any supporting arguments for your case.



There are not many people who can do this. This expectation is absurd and makes you look silly.

I don't understand why this shouldn't be open sourced. I mean it is trivial to reverse it anyway, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I had to guess, I'd guess that open sourcing the anti-cheat methods would make it easy to learn how to beat it.