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[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only 14? Heh you're in for a rude awakening. Try like 18-20 hr a day.

18-20 is pretty casual around here.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

18-20 is pretty casual around here.

I was giving a modest estimate

[cronik]

If xp is 500%, I'll seriously consider rerolling after the first painful death (5+ hrs surviving). If it's 2-300%, I won't even consider it... it'll be a one-shot deal and after the first "real" death I'll be done. I imagine this will be true of many.

On corpse rotting: lvl based, imo. if corpse is like 40+, I'd say turn off corpse rotting entirely. Someone could die either in a dungeon or to guards in some obscure location and someone else can stumble on the corpse 2 weeks later and it'd still be relevant. it's not like lvl 40s can generate a lot of corpses...

on lvl 1 immunity, it's a tough call. griefing will suck on either side of the coin. Maybe a timer on pre-lvl6 immunity, like 30m? It'd help prevent muling and crafting nonsense, amongst other things.

[cronik]

Originally Posted by cronik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If xp is 500%, I'll seriously consider rerolling after the first painful death (5+ hrs surviving). If it's 2-300%, I won't even consider it... it'll be a one-shot deal and after the first "real" death I'll be done. I imagine this will be true of many.

On corpse rotting: lvl based, imo. if corpse is like 40+, I'd say turn off corpse rotting entirely. Someone could die either in a dungeon or to guards in some obscure location and someone else can stumble on the corpse 2 weeks later and it'd still be relevant. it's not like lvl 40s can generate a lot of corpses...

on lvl 1 immunity, it's a tough call. griefing will suck on either side of the coin. Maybe a timer on pre-lvl6 immunity, like 30m? It'd help prevent muling and crafting nonsense, amongst other things.

Quoting myself because it took two days for this to show up(mod approved!), and yet still posted two pages back.

If I had to pick right now, I'd go with noob-zone immunity for under 6, or even up to 9 (gives you at least a small chance to survive zoning away from starting areas). This place has too many bottom feeders who have their own definition of winning (xtreme griefing). I think the very rare possible abuses of immunity would pale in comparison to the starter areas/spawns being on lockdown an hour into the server if there's none. I'd rather a few peeps benefit from a mule bank since that affects almost nobody, in comparison to spawn-camping and griefing starting zones, which affects 90% of the population and WILL occur for the first week by people who have no interest besides playing the server start and griefing noobs in as assholish a manner as possible.

If there was no immunity I'd live with it and enjoy the server, but it'd be a HUGE deterrent to re-rolling much since there wouldn't be much point after the first few hours, at which point Jabober, Zoner, and Goner will rule the noob lands.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by cronik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This place has too many bottom feeders who have their own definition of winning (xtreme griefing). I think the very rare possible abuses of immunity would pale in comparison to the starter areas/spawns being on lockdown an hour into the server if there's none. I'd rather a few peeps benefit from a mule bank since that affects almost nobody, in comparison to spawn-camping and griefing starting zones, which affects 90% of the population and WILL occur for the first week by people who have no interest besides playing the server start and griefing noobs in as assholish a manner as possible.

If there was no immunity I'd live with it and enjoy the server, but it'd be a HUGE deterrent to re-rolling much since there wouldn't be much point after the first few hours, at which point Jabober, Zoner, and Goner will rule the noob lands.

Theres no way to stress this enough, it will happen, staff should understand this by now. Im not sure about the immunity thing, but people trying to lock down the noob zones either strategically or for lulz is a certainty. Were talking about a community that sits on a corpse for 20hours+ here right. I would think alot of people wouldnt be back for round2 of server wipe if first time around was that bad of an experience.

Originally Posted by cronik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If xp is 500%, I'll seriously consider rerolling after the first painful death (5+ hrs surviving). If it's 2-300%, I won't even consider it... it'll be a one-shot deal and after the first "real" death I'll be done. I imagine this will be true of many.

On corpse rotting: lvl based, imo. if corpse is like 40+, I'd say turn off corpse rotting entirely. Someone could die either in a dungeon or to guards in some obscure location and someone else can stumble on the corpse 2 weeks later and it'd still be relevant. it's not like lvl 40s can generate a lot of corpses...

on lvl 1 immunity, it's a tough call. griefing will suck on either side of the coin. Maybe a timer on pre-lvl6 immunity, like 30m? It'd help prevent muling and crafting nonsense, amongst other things.

All sensible stuff. I also think the pace of the game should feel similar to path of exile hardcore, people will die alot (in general those will be the new blood youd want kept around), it needs to be fun to play. That was the mistake of putting in the xp loss in pvp mechanic, its not fun to play. Itll depopulate the server. Of course fun means different things for different people, but you can either make it niche and griefy to please a small population of Chewie-like players, or make the appeal alot wider by easing down on the grief potential. Id say you should be able to reach 60 in a day (24 hours) or two or three. Or else the dominant crew will just get there before anyone else and dominate for 2 months. I dont have infused science, thats what i think right now, maybe theres something i didnt see, take it apart. Thats what i like this time around is we get to weight the pros and cons of server mechanics.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by cronik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quoting myself because it took two days for this to show up(mod approved!), and yet still posted two pages back.

If I had to pick right now, I'd go with noob-zone immunity for under 6, or even up to 9 (gives you at least a small chance to survive zoning away from starting areas). This place has too many bottom feeders who have their own definition of winning (xtreme griefing). I think the very rare possible abuses of immunity would pale in comparison to the starter areas/spawns being on lockdown an hour into the server if there's none. I'd rather a few peeps benefit from a mule bank since that affects almost nobody, in comparison to spawn-camping and griefing starting zones, which affects 90% of the population and WILL occur for the first week by people who have no interest besides playing the server start and griefing noobs in as assholish a manner as possible.

If there was no immunity I'd live with it and enjoy the server, but it'd be a HUGE deterrent to re-rolling much since there wouldn't be much point after the first few hours, at which point Jabober, Zoner, and Goner will rule the noob lands.

hey pal

only prob with level 1 protection is clerics with DA training the shit out of people

[cronik]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey pal

only prob with level 1 protection is clerics with DA training the shit out of people

If you're in a place where a lvl 1 cleric can get to you and train you/kill you, you're probably doing something wrong.

Its not like someone can train you every 5 mins either. Pretty sure clerics don't start with DA, so they have to buy it, then when they mem it it's still another 15mins before it refreshes. At some point it'll get old trying to train someone every half hour or so, possibly longer since they'll die some to mob agro while going to higher lvl areas.

Training is still possible without DA or player-immunity. It can and will happen, possibly while player-buffed (sow + hp). You can't stop all the ass-hattery, so you can only aim to prevent the bulk of it.

[Sirken]

one of the bigger issues with level 1s is not that level 1s will be griefed. at level 1, you really have nothing to lose on a discord server. i think the bigger concern is players rolling on level 1 characters, and using those characters to train and grief other leveled up players, essentially destroying the higher level toon, all while being immune from pvp, and nothing to lose from a pve death.

just my opinion, might not be the same for all of staff, could be wrong though, /shrug

[hammbone]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one of the bigger issues with level 1s is not that level 1s will be griefed. at level 1, you really have nothing to lose on a discord server. i think the bigger concern is players rolling on level 1 characters, and using those characters to train and grief other leveled up players, essentially destroying the higher level toon, all while being immune from pvp, and nothing to lose from a pve death.

just my opinion, might not be the same for all of staff, could be wrong though, /shrug

Lv1 in non-newb zones = FFA imho.

@lv1 you bob 'em like a bixie

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one of the bigger issues with level 1s is not that level 1s will be griefed. at level 1, you really have nothing to lose on a discord server. i think the bigger concern is players rolling on level 1 characters, and using those characters to train and grief other leveled up players, essentially destroying the higher level toon, all while being immune from pvp, and nothing to lose from a pve death.

just my opinion, might not be the same for all of staff, could be wrong though, /shrug

They might have something to lose, their patience, after a crew of griefers camping the noob area kills their 20th attempt at making a toon. You cant prevent it entirely, but id put some thought into trying to circumvent some of that. Thinking about it that will probably be a winning strategy. Have a crew of people killing everyone they see in the noob zones while another crew goes off to try to race to 50 to dominate.

Originally Posted by hammbone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lv1 in non-newb zones = FFA imho.

@lv1 you bob 'em like a bixie

Good idea. Theres probably something there to think through to prevent training without draining GM resources.

If you guys plan to have a forum for discord, id say the sooner the better. Because the dominant crews are already organized and set up. They just need to say lets do this! People who might be new, returning, casuals would benefit from an early release of the forums so they can organize themselves in advance. Though they could just use a thread here but still it would build up excitement and motivation to set something up so theyre not soloing at the starting line.