Why is boxing and live frowned upon?

[dafier]

I'll never forget seeing 6 Wizzys on live running around Mana Burning Gorenaire down and more. It was a sight....

[Champion_Standing]

Nobody here really wants to play live.

I'm not entirely against boxing. I guess it depends on how many chars you box and what you are doing with them. Boxing a buffbot to heal and buff your group? Not gonna bitch about that, but boxing 6+ chars to lock down content that should be for groups...not cool. Most boxers I came across on live were only doing 2-3 chars and more than willing to drop them from the group when we had another player come along

[wormed]

If anyone has tried to play the new progression servers on Live (Ragefire/Lockjaw), they're terrible. How the hell did these guys actually screw up EQ? Running around the new versions of Freeport, Commonlands, etc, is nauseating.

[iruinedyourday]

cus boxing is like the gateway drug.. you box, you WILL use MQ eventually no matter what you say or who you are.

Also as others have said, a select few would completely control the entirety that is norrath if you could box... I for one would camp like 9 things at once and I'm a frickn casual.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cus boxing is like the gateway drug.. you box, you WILL use MQ eventually no matter what you say or who you are.

Have you ever said anything that isn't utterly retarded? I mean, most idiots manage to parrot something a smart person said from time to time.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever said anything that isn't utterly retarded? I mean, most idiots manage to parrot something a smart person said from time to time.

lol

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[Thulack]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cus boxing is like the gateway drug.. you box, you WILL use MQ eventually no matter what you say or who you are.

Also as others have said, a select few would completely control the entirety that is norrath if you could box... I for one would camp like 9 things at once and I'm a frickn casual.

2-3 boxed for almost 10 years. Never used MQ never even used ISBoxer.

[Man0warr]

Community is what actually set classic EQ apart from newer MMOs, not mechanics.

Boxing, instancing, the Bazaar, etc all pretty much killed it.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Community is what actually set classic EQ apart from newer MMOs, not mechanics.

Boxing, instancing, the Bazaar, etc all pretty much killed it.

Except for that tiny inconvenient fact that EQ Live's subscription numbers continued to rise LONG after these mechanics that "killed EQ" like PoK books and instances came into being. Most P99 players either don't seem to know this or they just play dumb to suit their agenda. But contrary to popular belief around here EQ was very much alive and thriving throughout PoP and even GoD. Subscription numbers didn't start to really fall off til after OoW. The number of people that got their panties in a bunch about cats on the moon and instanced raids is hardly a drop in the bucket. You'd never know that listening to people on these forums though oddly enough :P

As far as "Shit's Classic" goes. I very very very clearly remember many people 2 boxing in my guild in classic. I was one of them too. I never did more than 3 box and even that I hardly did. I felt then (and still feel now) that 2 boxing is totally reasonable. I can COMPLETELY understand why 3+ boxing isn't allowed and I realize its a slippery slope. Nobody wants to see people 6 boxing entire groups or some neckbeard 40 boxing his own raids. But I *personally* feel that boxing is fine if limited to 2 per person. I realize that'll never be the case for P99. Another "Not Classic" feature that will never get fixed while we get screwed on buff timers >.<

[kaev]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except for that tiny inconvenient fact that EQ Live's subscription numbers continued to rise LONG after these mechanics that "killed EQ" like PoK books and instances came into being. Most P99 players either don't seem to know this or they just play dumb to suit their agenda. But contrary to popular belief around here EQ was very much alive and thriving throughout PoP and even GoD. Subscription numbers didn't start to really fall off til after OoW. The number of people that got their panties in a bunch about cats on the moon and instanced raids is hardly a drop in the bucket. You'd never know that listening to people on these forums though oddly enough :P

LOL. The classic playerbase was mostly gone before PoP. Classic EQ was indeed killed by the transformation of the game. SOE made more money off the new audience, because there were more of them, but that doesn't change the fact that classic EQ was killed off to make that money. Your population numbers don't counter anything except your implied strawman.

Also, claiming Velious is somehow part of :classic: seems highly incorrect to me. Velious clear emphasis on the high-level raid game drove off many players who had merely been made uncomfortable by Kunark, Luclin convinced those that checked back not to return.

PoP should have showed the die-hards who had not adapted to the NewOrder[tm] that they were being more than a little foolish hanging around hoping that SOE might return to the original Vision[tm]. But instead they rose up agitating mercilessly and convinced SOE to release LoY, which was not well received by the then current playbase because there just weren't enough fans of the classic Vision[tm] left to support an expansion that didn't cater explicitly to high-end raiders and their wannabe fans.

Classic EQ was mortally wounded by Velious, Luclin poisoned on the dying beast to hasten its demise, and PoP laughed at it, poured gasoline over it, set it afire, and toasted marshmallows over the merrily blazing corpse.