VA live reporter shooting

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last Deer I got:

The bullet went directly through the lung, hit the bottom part of the heart and through the other lung.

The deer jumped up and hopped up the hill for about 10 seconds trying to flee before it stiffened and fell.

Sorry about being graphic, but ya the only time you would see someone or something drop right away is if you severed a spine or tendons...and the list goes on.

I've seen this plenty of times... even lost one before and didn't find it for a few days because a ran so far away

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Nocsucow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen this plenty of times... even lost one before and didn't find it for a few days because a ran so far away

If you put a hole in it's heart then it won't be able to keep pressure throughout its body, but if you hit 1 lung...ya, those things will go....and fast.

Best thing to do is pull that bolt back asap, and load another and DO NOT GET BUCK FEVER!

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I consider .380 and .38 Special still a step below 9mm in terms of stopping power.

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[Rogean]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You disagree?

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I consider .380 and .38 Special still a step below 9mm in terms of stopping power.

380 really isnt even in the same ballpark as 9mm or 38.

But, there really isnt much diference in the diameter of a 9 or 38, a couple thousanths of an inch is all. 38 is a revolver style round that can hold its own since you can use +pp hollowpoints etc, and in some 9mm, you have issues with feedramps loading properly when attempting to use hot loads that are hollowpoint etc. The downside is 5 to 6 shots in a cylinder compared to a large capacity magazine spitting out a lot of 9mm rounds at a little higher velocity.

Overall either is a decent round and very comparable in stopping power. But why chance it? Be a man and carry 357 mag or 45 like me =p

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But why chance it? Be a man and carry 357 mag or 45 like me =p

Because first hand experience with military and law enforcement has shown no difference in stopping power between a 45 and a 9. That's why both are moving away from 40/45 and towards 9.

[Pscottdai]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because first hand experience with military and law enforcement has shown no difference in stopping power between a 45 and a 9. That's why both are moving away from 40/45 and towards 9.

Except the military has finally realized it was a mistake and is going back to .45 mm, at least in SOF units.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because first hand experience with military and law enforcement has shown no difference in stopping power between a 45 and a 9. That's why both are moving away from 40/45 and towards 9.

Rogean... I appreciate all you have done with this awesome server, for that alone I fucking love you. But...


That above comment could not be farther from the truth, and any amount of minuscule research on your part would show you that.


First off lets start with the Military. The Military, does what it can to buy in bulk and save money. Look at their current side arm issued to the Military. It is a pos and anyone in the service will tell you the same. But there is a reason they still use it: cost. They also want to stay in line with Nato so they stick to 9 mm. Since most side pieces in Nato are chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum round.


Now lets look at the major fundamental difference between the military and Police forces. American military personnel are trained to suppress followed by ambush attacks. Suppress your aggressor with suppression fire, and follow up with ambush tactics.


Police forces are taught much different then that. Unload until your aggressor is no longer a threat. Usually in 3 shot bursts, 2 to the torso one to the head.


Now lets look at where that plays into police forces and Military forces going more towards the 9×19mm Parabellum round over the 45 acp or 357 magnum load.

Military forces: Cost trumps all, followed by Nato standardization.
Police forces: More ammunition per magazine resulting in a better chance to eliminate your threat. 19 compared to 8 is a big difference in bullet capacity. But note that, most of your old school cops with experience still trust there 8 shot 1911 auto over a noobie cops Glock. There is a reason for that level of trust, 1911 in 45 acp is a proven winner.

The 9×19mm Parabellum is a higher velocity than normal round which grants better armor penetration.

The 357 and 45 carry a lot more kinetic energy behind them resulting in a much more substantial amount of stopping power and more expansion resulting in a larger created wound cavity.

When figuring in Kinetic Energy, here is a look at some figures so you can see the difference. The 357 greatly prevails over 45 or 9mm, but as a revolver round, you are limited on capacity, but not reliability.

•.357 Mag, 158 gr. XTP at 1250 fps MV: 548 ft. lbs. ME, 464 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 404 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 327 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

•.357 Mag, 180 gr. XTP at 1150 fps MV: 528 ft. lbs. ME, 466 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 420 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 354 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

•9x19mm, 147 gr. XTP at 1000 fps MV: 326 ft. lbs. ME, 298 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 275 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 238 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

•.45 ACP, 230 gr. XTP at 850 fps MV: 369 ft. lbs. ME, 342 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 318 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 277 ft. lbs. at 200 yards


I'd take a good revolver chambered in 357 magnum or a well made 1911 in 45 acp over a spray and pray glock, any day of the week.


But that's just me. Any gun, is better than no gun. Even a cheap RG 22 revolver.

[iruinedyourday]

haha I have no clue about stopping power of guns but I dont run a forum for a free to play multiplayer game, so i can afford not to.

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haha I have no clue about stopping power of guns but I dont run a forum for a free to play multiplayer game, so i can afford not to.

Its pretty basic stuff. Powder + Bullet Weight + Bullet Size, along with other variables.