08-01-2015, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by central scrutinizer
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That's actually not really true, if you read writings such as the first congressional debate on arms and militias 1789 and relevant correspondence from the founders before during and after the ratification of the second amendment (you can do this at the Library Of Congress online probably, I don't know...such things did not exist when I read up on it...) you will see a very different picture.
The second Amendment of the US constitution is not to keep the government in check at all. The founders had just fought a brutal war to establish their government, they did not want it to be destroyed. The Second Amendment is not meant to fight domestic tyranny as, because domestic tyranny is not supposed to be possible, the purpose of the second amendment was to create a government that had no teeth with which to exert tyranny in the first place.
The USA is not supposed to have a standing army in peacetime. Just a Navy. For mainland defense, every citizen is supposed to be in a militia that is ready and able to assist in national defense. Regional forces are supposed to be autonomous except for when war has been officially declared, only then are they supposed to have federal oversight.
Every able bodied man in the USA is supposed to be in a militia.
The idea that guns are ever to be pointed inwards is just marketing for manufacturers taking advantage of . They don't actually care if you know the depth of your responsibilities as an American. They just want you to buy shit. And vote for the people who are most likely to help them achieve higher sales, and more lucrative military contracts.
And of course, people love rights, but are not always as enthusiastic about responsibilities.
Normally I'd talk a bit of shit to you for being lazy about something that I learned about back when the only option to do so was a card catalog and a stack of books, and many, many hour...But the fact that the military should not exist in its current state and that you and your dad and any brothers should be subject to combat training and drills has been actively suppressed through omission for the majority of America's existence.
Look into it, it's very interesting, you should learn the true scope of the founder's intent; they were not just cobbling together an unlikely nation, they were trying to create a new paradigm for humanity.
If you're capable of stepping away from the buzzwords and rhetoric, that is. You don't seem to have much else going on, but hope springs eternal.
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enjoyed your post, I agree with you grandpa. However I don't think your better-informed and less frothy explanation stands in opposition to the idea that a decentralized militia of armed peasants is vital to the American system as it was conceived, which is my argument exactly.
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Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk
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Jesus christ you're so fucking stupid lol
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did cecily really post this and in seriousness? not about to slog thru the rest of this thread for the context but god damn what a baboon if so |
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