Tranny Genetics

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly are you talking about? Cause I don't think the two trans people in this thread are offended, and kinda even agree with OP.
Have you considered not using certain words you know will result in a forum ban regardless of context?

For some reason when I read your posts on my phone they seem more angry/reactive. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know if it helps or adds confusion as to where I stand but I sincerely hope that one day they invent genetic re-sequencing so they can actually turn people into the other gender because reassignment surgery is a cosmetic procedure even in the times where it does indeed help the patient.

[katrik]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For some reason when I read your posts on my phone they seem more angry/reactive. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know if it helps or adds confusion as to where I stand but I sincerely hope that one day they invent genetic re-sequencing so they can actually turn people into the other gender because reassignment surgery is a cosmetic procedure even in the times where it does indeed help the patient.

I wish it wasn't considered so.. I could definitely see some insurance companies changing that policy. Would be so nice to just pay a 5 or 10 grand deductible versus shelling out 40-60k. ; S

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For some reason when I read your posts on my phone they seem more angry/reactive. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deliberately using the old pronouns as an insult on a trans person who is really trying their best to get away from their old gender role / presentation does legitimately piss me off. I don't think you're necessarily trying to do that, although that's how I took it initially. And I honestly don't think Henry Rollins in a wig is trying her best, either. That person is representing trans people in the worst possible light both in appearance and behavior.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deliberately using the pronouns as an insult on a trans person who is really trying their best to get away from their old gender role / presentation does legitimately piss me off. I don't think you're necessarily trying to do that, although that's how I took it initially. And I honestly don't think Henry Rollins in a wig is trying her best, either. That person is representing trans people in the worst possible light both in appearance and behavior.

I draw the line pretty clearly. If someone legally changes their name I'll call them that name when I learn their name.

Pronouns are about perception, when you see someone you apply a gendered identity to that person regardless of how they identify themselves and to force someone to go against their natural instinctual identifiers when addressing someone is invasive at best.

Lets compare it to gays and religious folk.
There are a plethora of memes out there that will say "when is the last time a gay came to your door to try to convert you?" and those memes are 100% spot on.
Gay people simply existing as homosexuals does not effect anyone in any single way. What they do in their bedroom or at a gay club/bar is their own business.
Religious folk on the other hand have every right to practice their religion without state interference, when they practice it at home or in a church it doesn't adversely effect anyone.
So far pretty even.
Now lets compare that to how they behave in public.
Gay pride parade: They want rights, they want to celebrate, they want to be accepted. They aren't forcing anyone to do anything, its just a gay bar outdoors, to put it crudely.
Religious proselytizers: They will go to your home and try to shame you for not worshiping their god. They will stand in public and try to use fear to bribe you with 'salvation' to follow their belief system. These practices are categorically invasive.

Now we see the difference, its how they interact with others when it comes to their identity. Gays want to simply be allowed to exist, the religious want you to conform to their belief system.
Now if you get approached by a religious person and refuse to conform, regardless of the reaction of the proselytizer in question, are you branded a hateful person? Are you considered a bigot? Or are you simply an individual not allowing others to force you to change how you live?

Why then is it so different when someone whom all five of your senses tells you is a specific gender wants you to address them in an unnatural manner? Is it simply because they are a protected class? If so, that's honestly not a 'good' reason is it? If it's for tolerance and acceptance and all of those other buzzwords, is it not hypocritical to decide not to apply it to the proselytizer?

I'm sorry, but here in the real world my rights don't end where someone else's feelings begin, if I'm uncomfortable calling an obviously biological male "she" I'm not gonna do it, and you're an asshole if you are going to try to shame me into doing so.

Just my 2cp.

[Cecily]

If you opt for that particular procedure... haha yep. That's one of those things you could have gone through life happily ignorant of, but you're welcome.

[Tradesonred]

Context is everything

[katrik]

It's tricky. Upon first meeting, say, such as out in public, a grocery store, whatever, it's ok to be sir'd or miss'd. It's an accident, people are generally really uneducated about all of this stuff. And of course, if you appear or look as whatever gender you are born with, you might get mis-pronouned. I think what Cec is trying to get at, if it's a friend, family member, co-worker, someone you deal with frequently, and to purposefully use old pronouns is very insulting. Accidents happen, but doing it on purpose when you know her condition and what's going on with her is really mean. However, you can do whatever you want to. Nobody's gonna make you do anything.

Like, my family, for example, flat out refuses to call me by my legal name. For most trans people this is a deal breaker, I let it slide, because I know how uneducated, religous, and stubborn rednecks can be. They will never change. And I love my stupid family.

[Cecily]

Like you mention, Kag, it's about perception. If a person passes, they don't need to force pronouns out of anyone. If not... I think it's a matter of respect for another human being to call them what they're going for if there's obvious effort being put forth. And to deliberately not do so is going to be taken as extremely disrespectful. Whether or not you choose to do so, that's up to you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if there's obvious effort being put forth.

That's the key. Too many men in dresses/wigs trying to pull that shit though. Like, at least fucking shave. Girls with PCOS do it...

[Rararboker]

I would refuse to just because I am not going to play to their delusions.