Enchanter Race Question

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I see what you're doing. You fucked up your character stat points and now you're trying to pull a Cecily.

Sorry, I'm a bit late and I don't remember the conversation you're referring to. Did you mean my 25 Str 5 Sta wood elf rogue, my 5 Str 25 Sta dark elf rogue, my 5 Str 5 Sta 5 Wis 5 Dex wood elf ranger, or my 25 Wis 5 Sta wood elf druid?

I'm happy with my stat distributions and race selections, and I'm pretty sure that makes you mad. Care to elaborate?

[Raev]

You were so desperate to deflect from your misunderstanding of hard/soft caps that you spent an hour looking up out of context quotes from my enchanter guide? Immersion level: critical.

Originally Posted by Loraen's Enchanter Guide

I have a slightly more nuanced view of gear at this point. 200 charisma is still definitely your first gear goal: my current [http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=92423 best guess] for charm durations is that they depend linearly on charisma, and that this effect is softcapped 50% above 200. After this, you have to choose between getting more HP, more mana, or 255 charisma, and I think this depends a lot on what you want to do:
* If you duo with a cleric (or group mostly), you want 255 charisma and then as much mana as you can get. +1100 HP from [[Heroism]] and [[Symbol of Marzin]] will trump any gear you can find.
* If you are soloing 'Master' level content (Howling Stones South, Crypt, Sebilis NG) or duoing with a shaman you want hitpoints. With taps you won't need much mana, and your primary concern is getting bad charm breaks and having to cap out without killing a target with a 10k item. Shamans can't give you hitpoints, but malo helps with resists a lot.
* If you are soloing 'Grandmaster' level content (Howling Stones East, some areas of Velious) you want mana. You'll be casting manahog spells like [[Rapture]] and [[Boltran's Agacerie]] and getting more frequent resists (= recast = more mana). Hitpoints won't be as important because you'll always have Rune and Bedlam up (=1100HP), and 1 mana = 2 HP of Rune, and you can use potions to max charisma when you really want to.

incoming samoht rage edits of the wiki page in 4 3 2 1 . . .

[Samoht]

Nothing is out of context. I have you admitting to allocating your starting points wrong, and admitting that you would rather have 255 CHA than INT. I think those pretty much reinforce everything I've been saying in this thread.

But two personal attacks in one post? You're deflecting harder than Alarti at this point.

Still, on the whole I'd rather have 10% longer charm durations than 10% more HP, so I guess I'm going to have to regear a little. Stupid int/gnome builds with 75 base CHA.

I'll just leave you with this little gem.

[Raev]

My preference for 255 CHA over 255 INT or my stat allocation on Loraen have nothing to do with the mechanics of the soft cap. Keep trying to deflect, though.

[Samoht]

It is your opinion that it is a soft cap because somebody did some less than adequate research that showed in their very limited sample size that 255 CHA had some more effect than 226 CHA but strangely not more than 200. Maybe you should try a sample size more than 36. For it to be truly scientific, I would recommend something in the millions.

It is a fact, however, that 255 is the hard cap, and you can reach 255 with a CHA buff of 55 when you have an unbuffed CHA of 200, and that is a certain reason why 200 is a soft cap.

But, let me be frank with you, you have a condition called poisoning the well. You made a bad decision on both character race and stat allocations, and rather than face your bad decision and teaching other people not to make the same decision, you appear to be downplaying your own mistakes and telling other people that it's not that big of a deal. Still, they are mistakes none the less. I hope nobody follows your example.

After all, gnomes are a really poor choice for enchanter race. It doesn't even land in the top three. You should probably reroll before Velious.

Imagine your gear on a high elf. You would be able to wear real boots and a real bracer. Nice.

[Raev]

Samoht, your ignorance of facts and facility with ad hominems would make you an excellent politician. It's quite amusing how you quote me as recommending CHA builds on the one hand and then say I'm poisoning the well by not recommending CHA builds on the other. Make up your mind.

Also, we know there is a charisma softcap at 200. We have two sets of tests: Propo showing a 2x increase going from 95 to 225, and my work showing maybe 10% after massaging the data (somehow I didn't see any tests by you). The difference below 200 was so profound that it popped out immediately despite the low sample size.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my work showing maybe 10% after massaging the data

Every post you've made in this thread is arguing semantics about the soft cap, and you keep linking your unscientific data to make yourself seem important. I think the discussion about race is over, and your message is clearly flawed.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you should try a sample size more than 36. For it to be truly scientific, I would recommend something in the millions.

Why do you keep posting?

[Raev]

Alarti, you are like a textbook on how to argue an incorrect position. Embarrassed on your ad hominem 'poisoning the well claim'? No matter, deflect again. Destroyed on the evidence regarding the charisma softcap? No matter, claim your opponent is self-centered. Hint: Data is not 'scientific' or 'unscientific' because of its quantity. You simply have a greater or lesser confidence in the results.

Why do I keep posting? Because I find it amusing to grind your pathetic ego into the dust. You're an anonymous troll who contributes nothing. At least Tiggles is funny. But yes, I am getting a bit bored. I know exactly what you are going to post next, and I'm going to smack that down, and then I'm going to be done!

[Samoht]

Your own data showed that 200 was more reliable than 255, and rather than extend your test like any good researcher would do, you just threw out a portion of your tests at 200. It wasn't thorough enough then, it's not thorough enough now. I'm calling you out.

Your tangents haven't changed a thing, though. Neither have your personal attacks. 255 is still the desired amount of CHA, and 200 is still the soft cap because that's the amount it takes to reach 255 with buffs, in spite of any proven or unproven demolishing returns.

Quit trying to derail the topic to make yourself seem important.

[Raev]

Did you really just spend 3 hours hammering refresh? Rhetorical.

And predictable. And no, I didn't throw out any data, because I reported it all. If I don't feel like doing more tests, that's my prerogative. An anonymous troll who has contributed nothing 'calling me out' is pure silliness. And since you don't like my analysis of the data, then the best we have is the raw data, which simply does not support your conclusions.

Originally Posted by Samoht

Quit trying to derail the topic to make yourself seem important.

This is a textbook description of every post you have ever made on this forum. You want a callout? Do the experiment you are proposing. I'd be curious to see the results.

And now, as promised, I'm done. I'll let you have the last word, because everyone at this point already knows you're full of shit.