Game Mechanics: Monk kick accuracy

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Ralexia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...except for dodging, blocking, parrying and riposting.

Touche. However the kick was capable of connecting, every time.

Either the parser isn't parsing missed kicks right or this is actually an issue with top-end monk abilities. I don't have a monk on P99 so I cannot provide any direct feedback on it. I know Kick for rangers has a large chance of missing and is reported correctly in the parser (GamParse) so take that as you will.

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh and i backstab for 418 now with the Efreeti War Spear, 88 more damage than the 330 cap I saw the last time I backstabbed anything.

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Sounds like the melee code that's being used on the test server made its way on to P99. Once I get down from Sky I'll post my findings as well.

[Ralexia]

I think you're on to something. While messing around on my 48 monk for about 20 minutes I saw flying kicks only fail to connect on blocks, dodges, ripostes, parries. I haven't seen any "misses" from flying kick despite about 10 failed flying kicks.

[azeth]

bump, any dev thoughts?

[Daltheb]

As someone who regularly enjoys being #1 in DPS, I'm gonna have to ask that this thread be locked and deleted!

In all seriousness though, I went through my parse logs and came up with the following figures for my damage over 415 fights:
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For comparison, here's what I see from Azeth over the same period:
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If we decided to make Flying Kick work the same as Backstab for rogues, dropping it from 100% accuracy to 61% accuracy, we'd be looking at over a 10% drop in total damage for monks, which would be quite a hefty nerf. It'd also mean that % by dmg type for Flying Kick would drop from 27% to 18%. I'm not sure how it worked in classic but here's hoping my class doesn't suddenly find itself getting raped!

[Ponden]

I know monks have always been high on the dps charts, but there is no way that Azeth should be getting out dps'd with a Freeti War Spear and dragon haste.

Originally Posted by Daltheb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's hoping my class doesn't suddenly find itself getting raped!

I don't think it would really rape the class at all. A monk in classic/kunark/velious should never complain. I wish Rogues were able to tank better, pull more effectively, have poisons work right(screwed class skill since the dawn of EQ FTL), be able to pop a self heal, and put out the same dps as I do now. Sadly, thats how EQ has always been.

[azeth]

I'd like to point out that my dps on Dalthebs parse is bogus due to afk'ing!

[Daltheb]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to point out that my dps on Dalthebs parse is bogus due to afk'ing!

It's already bogus cuz I don't think you were even present for half of them. The totals aren't really important, but the Accuracy over the fights is good.

[Icecometus]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know monks have always been high on the dps charts, but there is no way that Azeth should be getting out dps'd with a Freeti War Spear and dragon haste.



I don't think it would really rape the class at all. A monk in classic/kunark/velious should never complain. I wish Rogues were able to tank better, pull more effectively, have poisons work right(screwed class skill since the dawn of EQ FTL), be able to pop a self heal, and put out the same dps as I do now. Sadly, thats how EQ has always been.

here here. the monk conspiracy of silence must be broken.

[iamjack]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know monks have always been high on the dps charts, but there is no way that Azeth should be getting out dps'd with a Freeti War Spear and dragon haste.



I don't think it would really rape the class at all. A monk in classic/kunark/velious should never complain. I wish Rogues were able to tank better, pull more effectively, have poisons work right(screwed class skill since the dawn of EQ FTL), be able to pop a self heal, and put out the same dps as I do now. Sadly, thats how EQ has always been.

1. the monk that azeth quoting is using cof and azeth is using rbb i think

2. monk overall dps is higher than rog, but rog esp the one with Freeti War Spear got a god damn epic brust dps. azeth can jump from dps chart rank 5 jump to rank 1 from 30 dps jump to 48 dps in matter of second... but ya, sochin will catch up over time given that freeti spear is 15/40 and monk fist is 14/28 and better haste.

flykick contributed 30% of monk total DPS, nerfing into from 100% to 61% mean a 10-15% dps drop in total dps.
but ya if monk fly kick got nerfed...then we better come up with something to boost monk normal attack dmg otherwise ranger and warrior is going to out dps monk, let alone monks have always been high on the dps charts.....

and also ...using the same weapon(Pos Fist), there is a damage different between with haste buff and without Haste buff, monk's fist damage per hit actually decrease as the attack speed increase <-- is this classic as well?

it is like a shotgun vs a submachine gun....you hit alot faster but you hit alot lighter. i have never played classic before, after getting enc/shammy haste buff, the number of attack increased by alot, overall damage increased but the average dmg per hit decrease as the attack speed increase. i keep getting single digit dmg like You crush a xxxxx for 1 points of damage. after getting haste buff.

ps: Monk's Kick are Laser + GPS guided