Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[Swish]

need before greed guys.... need before greed...

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[Rickson]

Zenren, you already have a post a lot like this in the starting zone here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=197646

What do you really want to get out of this post? Your perspective is your perspective and most people are just going to argue or laugh. I doubt you are going to rally a bunch of support. Go on red and just kill those that bother you. Or, just have a field day in the RnF forums.

[Troxx]

Unless expressly discussed before time and UNANIMOUSLY agreed upon by all group members (including the new guy that just joined) ...

Hate to say it but the only FAIR way to handle loot is to have everyone random. Everyone contributed in the work - everyone gets a chance to benefit from the drops.

Yeah you might lose out on a good piece of loot or two that you could have really used or upgraded, but at the same time you might also win that Tstaff from KC in the future to re-tool your entire gear set. If it's tradable, anyone capable of benefiting from it (either directly by wearing or indirectly by selling to buy what they DO need) should be allowed to roll on it without getting hated on.

The exception to this imo are epic pieces that drop. If a monk needs KC pipe, don't be a jerk and roll on it to sell the MQ.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless expressly discussed before time and UNANIMOUSLY agreed upon by all group members (including the new guy that just joined) ...

Hate to say it but the only FAIR way to handle loot is to have everyone random. Everyone contributed in the work - everyone gets a chance to benefit from the drops.

Yeah you might lose out on a good piece of loot or two that you could have really used or upgraded, but at the same time you might also win that Tstaff from KC in the future to re-tool your entire gear set. If it's tradable, anyone capable of benefiting from it (either directly by wearing or indirectly by selling to buy what they DO need) should be allowed to roll on it without getting hated on.

The exception to this imo are epic pieces that drop. If a monk needs KC pipe, don't be a jerk and roll on it to sell the MQ.

Nah you cant have exceptions if you don't want/like NBG. If it's mqable then there's no reason for all to roll.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah you cant have exceptions if you don't want/like NBG. If it's mqable then there's no reason for all not to roll.

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...Hate to say it but the only FAIR way to handle loot is to have everyone random...The exception to this imo are epic pieces that drop. If a monk needs KC pipe, don't be a jerk and roll on it to sell the MQ.

So why should there be an exception? Because it would totally suck if someone took an item they could not use but only you can? Hypocrisy at it's finest.

[mystang89]

I agree with the OP on NbG. That said it only works with those of like mind which are fewer and fewer. It's more of an ideal way of thinking. If things were perfect this is how it should work. Unfortunately, things are far from perfect. You get people who do as people have said and need on things and then sell. No one wants to get screwed over so the NbG people start to do the same thing. Like someone already said, it's a vicious cycle that I think will only be temporarily fixed with a wipe. No I don't want a wipe. If everyone was honest I don't think as many people would have a problem with NbG.

[Zenren]

I will just point out that one should look at the nicks of some of the people attacking me regarding this. I mean if you're going to have a nick like "Ihateallpeople" then tell me I'm being idealistic, I'm just going to laugh my head off.

Rickson- Just create some civic consciousness. Maybe point out what it was like and how it's different so perhaps some people might aspire to a higher level of conduct, remember how things were and say, "hey those weren't bad times, why don't we do that again" rather than "I'm a bitter ol' fart now. Don't ask me to help no one! GRAaah!"

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Zenren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just create some civic consciousness. Maybe point out what it was like and how it's different so perhaps some people might aspire to a higher level of conduct, remember how things were and say, "hey those weren't bad times, why don't we do that again" rather than "I'm a bitter ol' fart now. Don't ask me to earn my own gear! GRAaah!"

[Zenren]

Oh and I was in a zone today and pointed out that someone was camping a spot that had one boss he needed, killing everything in sight, while a group of level appropriate players were camping a worse spot because he was there. You know what he said, "Hey tell them to come over here. I just want this boss, this is all boring anyways." Should I have just let it be and not said anything? If there's something that could be different am I supposed to let that go? Is that how change occurs?

See that's the point, things have been the way they are for so long, maybe someone needs to remind people of the renaissance of MMOs. That's what those days were in many ways, the time when we had these idealistic notions of right and wrong, where you were less likely to be cheated in a game, than you were by your cashier. Is that so wrong? And if so why? Are we really trying to advocate a world where the strong bully the weak, or at best take what they can? That's not the kind of world I want to live in or play in.

Yes I've met a lot of nice people, but I also met a lot of idiots who really could care less what their actions are doing to others. The good people outweigh the bad, but the fact is the bad have a much greater impact.