Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This game and the systems behind it allows a person to be greedy and awful. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If you don't know where those boundaries lie, it's time to reevaluate your moral compass.

Thankfully, a lot of people here are pretty awesome.

I think you're forgetting we're talking about a fantasy elf simulator. Your grandiose notions of morality don't matter here. And no, behavior in this game is not an extension of behavior in real life

[Thulghor]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're forgetting we're talking about a fantasy elf simulator. Your grandiose notions of morality don't matter here. And no, behavior in this game is not an extension of behavior in real life

Check. We all now know which side of the line you are on.

[Kengo]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're forgetting we're talking about a fantasy elf simulator. Your grandiose notions of morality don't matter here. And no, behavior in this game is not an extension of behavior in real life

Pretty sure this is the definition of a modern troll.

[kaev]

Slayde, I dunno what imaginary world you're dreaming existed 20 years ago, but as someone who grew up in the '60s & '70s I can assure you that it didn't exist 20 years ago when I was in my 30s, nor did it exist 40 years ago when I was a teenager, nor has it existed ever as far as I can determine.

[Slayde]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slayde, I dunno what imaginary world you're dreaming existed 20 years ago, but as someone who grew up in the '60s & '70s I can assure you that it didn't exist 20 years ago when I was in my 30s, nor did it exist 40 years ago when I was a teenager, nor has it existed ever as far as I can determine.

What exactly didn't exist back then? People being assholes? or people NOT being assholes? Either I am misinterpreting what you said, or you are misinterpreting what I said.

[Thulghor]

Originally Posted by Slayde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly didn't exist back then? People being assholes? or people NOT being assholes? Either I am misinterpreting what you said, or you are misinterpreting what I said.

I think he thinks that you're implying that at some point there used to be a golden age of humanity, or perhaps an age of cooperation, that probably didn't exist. I don't know though.

[Slayde]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think he thinks that you're implying that at some point there used to be a golden age of humanity, or perhaps an age of cooperation, that probably didn't exist.

Ah, if that is the case then yes. Misinterpretation. There is no real golden age of anything. There was just a time when we recognized the difference. Thanks to multiple generations being raised on the internet that concept has gone the way of the dodo. People think that because it's the internet anything goes, and well, it does. The overlooked issue is the fact that actions, whether purposefully or not, are an extension of the psyche. The only reason people don't "troll" in real life is because of the consequences involved. It doesn't mean they are any less of an asshole on the inside. It takes a big one to get any enjoyment out of it.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Slayde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly didn't exist back then? People being assholes? or people NOT being assholes? Either I am misinterpreting what you said, or you are misinterpreting what I said.

Originally Posted by Slayde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... At some point in the past 20 years, the majority of the 1st world countries were reprogrammed to think only of themselves. ...

"Individualism" & "Libertarianism" & other fancy dress-up rationalizations for plain old selfishness aren't new. Read up on "classical liberalism" and "the Irish question" sometime if you want to be horrified by people on the east side of the atlantic. I'm assuming you're at least vaguely aware of slavery, indentured servitude, perhaps you're less aware of the garment mill sweatshops in New York City in the early 20th century. Germany was a very first-world country when it kicked off WW2 and fired up industrial slavery & extermination camps. That incredibly short list barely begins to touch on the evils of the last few centuries, the overwhelming majority of them perpetrated by what you would call first world countries (who the hell do you think had the power to create vast colonial empires?) and most of that shit continued well into and even throughout the 20th century.

There has been no reprogramming of anything except the propaganda in the popular media. People are still people. Pretending that people were morally superior at some earlier date, any earlier date, is a disservice to yourself and to anybody else fooled by the delusion you propagate. The world is not improved by pretending that it used to be better, that's just a cop-out.

[Slayde]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Individualism" & "Libertarianism" & other fancy dress-up rationalizations for plain old selfishness aren't new. Read up on "classical liberalism" and "the Irish question" sometime if you want to be horrified by people on the east side of the atlantic. I'm assuming you're at least vaguely aware of slavery, indentured servitude, perhaps you're less aware of the garment mill sweatshops in New York City in the early 20th century. Germany was a very first-world country when it kicked off WW2 and fired up industrial slavery & extermination camps. That incredibly short list barely begins to touch on the evils of the last few centuries, the overwhelming majority of them perpetrated by what you would call first world countries (who the hell do you think had the power to create vast colonial empires?) and most of that shit continued well into and even throughout the 20th century.

There has been no reprogramming of anything except the propaganda in the popular media. People are still people. Pretending that people were morally superior at some earlier date, any earlier date, is a disservice to yourself and to anybody else fooled by the delusion you propagate. The world is not improved by pretending that it used to be better, that's just a cop-out.

I agree the use of the terms "20 years" and "1st world countries" isn't accurate by any means, I just used them to make the concept a little easier for people to understand, and yes I did know about all that stuff you talked about.

The big difference now is that greed is rewarded, it is the "norm". People are naturally greedy, but civilization was born on the concept of self-sacrifice. I find it very hard to believe that early tribal colonies did not punish and exile those who didn't run with the pack per-say. Prioritizing yourself above all else is not a wise choice for anyone but your perceived self. There is no "ism" involved. It's simple, compassionate humanity. In order to achieve we must be as one. Together we stand, divided we fall. We have all heard this phrase, yet almost none abide by it anymore. It may not have necessarily been "reprogramming" but some phase shift certainly did happen.

[Rararboker]

"At some point"

Huh? That thought process is as natural as pooping or eating or having sex. It is what helps humans ensure they live on to pass on their own genetics.