An open letter from <Forsaken>

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) there wasn't a class system at the time when FE broke off

2) FE formed to be completely different from BDA, they wanted to go fight dirty against TMO. Forsaken formed to continue the legacy of TMO minus whatever stigma was attached to the name

3) as noted, Omni splintering off and working within the rotation structure is a good example of how to lead a guild without going full retard

No. They were not formed to "Continue the legacy of TMO".

[Faited]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it more offensive for Forsaken to compete in Class-R with obvious intentions to quickly progress to Class-C than two obvious Class-C capable guilds that remain in Class-R and cycle lockout timers between themselves?

Chest, when <Foreceful Entry> formed, Shinko was the guild leader and a former officer of BDA. The membership was also 90%+ BDA members. Did you consider FE as BDA with a different name?

This is also true. But we all know BDA & Taken have had agreements not to impede on each others' kills/targets for a while & are scummy as crap for it, especially since BDA likes to try & convince everyone that they didnt break the rotation, etc. That's bs also. No self-respecting netizen of p99 has any respect for either of those 2 bs entities. But we're talking about TMO/Forsaken here, not the other 2 scumbag guilds.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dear fellow Project 99ers,

In light of the recent events, I would personally like to address the circumstances leading up to the formation of Forsaken and our recent suspension. First and foremost, I have the utmost respect for Rogean and all staff members that make this server, one of the only legitimate classic servers, possible. I feel I can speak for everyone when I say their tireless efforts are much appreciated.

I know there has been some confusion and false rumors about the creation of this guild, so let me take a moment and clear that up. Forsaken was formed for two main reasons: to finally remove the stigma of the tag we formerly held and at the same time keep the community of players together that I have considered family for years. This being the case, nearly everyone who was a part of this family was, of course, welcomed into our new home. The previous guild split into four factions, some to red, some who stayed, some who quit all together, and the remainder who came to Forsaken. A lot of trust and respect was placed in my hands during all this and I'm grateful for that.

Our recent decision to be in class R was for several reasons, and none of which were to blatantly circumvent any rules. There was also no intent to target any guild and it was certainly not done with any intent to disrespect the server rules. It was simply done to get the players that had just gone through a huge transition some time to settle in and get accustomed to our whole new structure, dkp system, forums and leaders. There was no intent to stay in R, we simply just wanted to use the class system as it was intended: to practice in R and move to C, which was absolutely what we were going to do.

If any guilds in class R have felt slighted, please understand this was not our intention by being in R for a short time period. We look forward to putting this misunderstanding behind us and continuing to grow our relationships with any and all guilds. If you feel a member of Forsaken has treated you poorly or have any guild concerns as a whole, please do not hesitate to bring them to me or any of the Forsaken leadership and we will do our best to remedy the situation. We wish you all the best of luck!

Sincerely,
Detoxx

I look forward to the guild invitations for me & my 37 alts, my new brother =D

[eisley]

Consistency by staff is a very, very, very important thing. I know it is very difficult with a volunteer team. I am not at all trying to sound critical here, I have no opinion at all regarding this particular situation. I just think this is what a lot of the "conspiracy theories" in this game are actually rooted in.

[reborn649]

Good post bud!

Trolls and people with nothing but disdain for anything anyone does on this server other than themselves will always exist though, so don't let the following pages and pages of nonsensical responses affect what you came here to clarify/explain. If anything this should resolve a lot of stuff for people who were beginning to "reach" pretty hard on what they thought was going on or why this all came to pass in the first place.

It isn't logical to think that a new guild would knowingly try to circumvent any kind of rules with the possibility of being suspended. That could be a crippling blow to a guild that has been around for years, let alone one that is a week old. Why take the risk? Some will say "you should have known better" or "ignored huge red flags", but that wasnt the case. TMO split 4 ways and they still exist as their own entity which we are no longer a part of. If a guild splits 4 ways what would logically make a person think that after setting up a new webpage, new dkp system, teamspeak, new name, and leadership that you are still the same as you were before. If that isn't enough to separate you from a previous guild and start anew, than I have no idea what else would.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good post bud!

Trolls and people with nothing but disdain for anything anyone does on this server other than themselves will always exist though, so don't let the following pages and pages of nonsensical responses affect what you came here to clarify/explain. If anything this should resolve a lot of stuff for people who were beginning to "reach" pretty hard on what they thought was going on or why this all came to pass in the first place.

It isn't logical to think that a new guild would knowingly try to circumvent any kind of rules with the possibility of being suspended. That could be a crippling blow to a guild that has been around for years, let alone one that is a week old. Why take the risk? Some will say "you should have known better" or "ignored huge red flags", but that wasnt the case. TMO split 4 ways and they still exist as their own entity which we are no longer a part of. If a guild splits 4 ways what would logically make a person think that after setting up a new webpage, new dkp system, teamspeak, new name, and leadership that you are still the same as you were before. If that isn't enough to separate you from a previous guild and start anew, than I have no idea what else would.

[arsenalpow]

So in the screenshot that is no longer working there's a line from someone in Forsaken saying "let's run this by Sirken". Why didn't that ever happen?

When I put forward the idea of dissolving the rotation (when it was clear that no one would agree to reform) we went to Sirken to make sure everything that we were doing was kosher. Forsaken did what they wanted with the justification of "well IB reformed and did what they wanted"

A simple conversation with Sirken would have negated a lot of these problems I think.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A simple conversation with Sirken would have negated a lot of these problems I think.

At this point, would it really have mattered? Sirken said on his stream that he considered Forsaken a brand new guild and all new guilds start as Class-R

https://youtu.be/Rx6Z_wpZAFo?t=1h19m

We also considered this as a strong rule of thumb that would dispel any doubt (But fuck us for expecting consistency on P99, right?)

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is not the case with Rampage, and so i did not treat them that way. and as i told TMO, if they want to disband their guild to form another guild, if they want to wipe dkp, if they want to shut down the TMO website, if they install new leadership, and if they did all that without knowing that the suspension was coming (to ensure it wasnt being done to circumvent me), then id be ok with it. and that was why I told Rampage that they would not be suspended.

We did leave TMO to form another guild (TMO wasn't disbanded formally, because the guild still has a live and active membership/leadership...IB wasn't officially disbanded either though)

We did wipe our DKP

We did retire our guild page (www.tmoguild.org)

We did install new leadership (only 2 officers were carried over. IB carried over several)

And we did so having no idea we'd be punished for it.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We did leave TMO to form another guild (TMO wasn't disbanded formally, because the guild still has a live and active membership/leadership...IB wasn't officially disbanded either though)

We did wipe our DKP

We did retire our guild page (www.tmoguild.org)

We did install new leadership (only 2 officers were carried over. IB carried over several)

And we did so having no idea we'd be punished for it.

Looks like you're trying to compare changing your guild name to dodging a suspension. That might be the root of your problem.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some will say "you should have known better" or "ignored huge red flags", but that wasnt the case.

Slydexx saying "we should run it by sirkiepoo first" was enough to convince me that they knew better.