Hey Forsaken

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO died. Forsaken had 0 brand. By your opinion no new guild could enter Class R because they might go Class C some day. Try again

Staff opinion seems to be it was a rebrand, and that opinion is more relevant than whatever reality might have been.

What solution would you offer to prevent large groups of people flipping between classes by cycling the creation of new guilds?

Or do you not see that as a problem that would need to be addressed?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff opinion seems to be it was a rebrand, and that opinion is more relevant than whatever reality might have been.

What solution would you offer to prevent large groups of people flipping between classes by cycling the creation of new guilds?

Or do you not see that as a problem that would need to be addressed?

You are asking me to try to make a smart raid scene with the current raid structure? I wouldn't. The system is inherently flawed.

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff opinion seems to be it was a rebrand, and that opinion is more relevant than whatever reality might have been.

What solution would you offer to prevent large groups of people flipping between classes by cycling the creation of new guilds?

Or do you not see that as a problem that would need to be addressed?

Like guilds reform every Weeks or some shit ?

TMO has been around for years, it's not like their reform every weeks.

What matters is and the core of the argument is what makes a new entity? The big issue on top of that is that both class C entities reformed recently.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like guilds reform every Weeks or some shit ?

I think if the ruling went the other way, this could have been a potential result.

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What matters is and the core of the argument is what makes a new entity? The big issue on top of that is that both class C entities reformed recently.

Agreed this is an issue. Until recently guilds have been easy to define. I have to agree with Alarti that the current system has all sorts of unintend consequences, such as having to redefine guild so it is more than just a tag (although I believe that was already a slight issue with the problems of 'alt guilds' in the past).

It's certainly an interesting discussion to read as someone completely outside to the guild scene.

[Misek84]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff opinion seems to be it was a rebrand, and that opinion is more relevant than whatever reality might have been.

What solution would you offer to prevent large groups of people flipping between classes by cycling the creation of new guilds?

Or do you not see that as a problem that would need to be addressed?

Lets be serious u really think forshaken was formed to cycle to R? If a guild was doing that it would be painfully obvious and no one would support them. You need to look at all the facts, and the simple fact that dkp was wiped, new loot system in place, new leadership, new website, etc proves this wasnt some "clever" scheme to cycle to R.

[bic]

Chest do you realize that despite your burning rage for TMO/Forsaken, that YOU are actually the venomous entity on this server. What you did to the class R rotation that you previously self-congratulated yourself on for years is truly reprehensible. You walk around like some champion of the common man, but it is in fact you that took food out of your fellow class R players mouths. How you manage to fool any of these idiots is amazing. Neckbearding without neckbearding. Greed without greed. Loot-hungry newbs deploying the same no-life tactics class C does in class R, yet still maintaining an air of superiority about it.

Let's acknowledge the giant elephant in the room please and realize the class r/class c experiment failed. And ironically it failed because its very adopters ultimately gamed the very system they fought to create.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why harshly punish one guild and barely punish another?

Rampage didn't kill class C targets.

Originally Posted by bic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest do you realize that despite your burning rage for TMO/Forsaken, that YOU are actually the venomous entity on this server. What you did to the class R rotation that you previously self-congratulated yourself on for years is truly reprehensible. You walk around like some champion of the common man, but it is in fact you that took food out of your fellow class R players mouths. How you manage to fool any of these idiots is amazing. Neckbearding without neckbearding. Greed without greed. Loot-hungry newbs deploying the same no-life tactics class C does in class R, yet still maintaining an air of superiority about it.

Let's acknowledge the giant elephant in the room please and realize the class r/class c experiment failed. And ironically it failed because its very adopters ultimately gamed the very system they fought to create.

Can't respond, too busy seething with rage or something.

[Cecily]

I'll play along, Chest. Uhhh Knix.

[Troubled]

Now they have time to form up and sort shit out like they wanted. Grats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll play along, Chest. Uhhh Knix.

Me too, me too! Cecily.