Sir Lucan D'Lere - FTE or Camp?

[Rajahten]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you a question. Why is your epic more important than the entire server's wizard, ranger and druid epic?

Because that's what you are saying. I appreciate your approach and the heart with which you are coming, but currently VS is only achievable by a CoTH on a tank to get FTE and self heal until a cleric gets called. Without self heals, it is impossible to get and keep FTE on VS, denying an entire guild the potential at 3 classes to get their epic.

If Soulfire was nerfed then everyone would have to change tactics and It becomes a different raid scene...again, the complaint is not with the people, it's with the staff.

I am definitely not saying that. VS is a raid target, and traditionally, raid targets have been FTE. Paladin epic has their fair share of FTE raid targets. I am not saying anything about Gore/VoX/Tal/Nag. Lucan is soloable. I am sure the day when VS is soloable, which will be never on our server, then the same may apply. He is solely for Paladin epic with an exploit of everyone else being able to use Soulfire. If VS didn't drop class loot, and was limited to only the druid epic, then you could compare them.

This is 1 soloable mob, who drops 1 piece, for 1 classes epic. Not 1 raid mob who drops legs for everyone and 3 dif epic pieces and some other shit.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Rajahten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am definitely not saying that. VS is a raid target, and traditionally, raid targets have been FTE. Paladin epic has their fair share of FTE raid targets. I am not saying anything about Gore/VoX/Tal/Nag. Lucan is soloable. I am sure the day when VS is soloable, which will be never on our server, then the same may apply. He is solely for Paladin epic with an exploit of everyone else being able to use Soulfire. If VS didn't drop class loot, and was limited to only the druid epic, then you could compare them.

This is 1 soloable mob, who drops 1 piece, for 1 classes epic. Not 1 raid mob who drops legs for everyone and 3 dif epic pieces and some other shit.

My friend, I completely wish that this was the case. I 100% wish that this server had rules that made It so stupid things like Soulfire, reaper of the dead, DA idols and wort potions were not necessary for VS. In fact, our guild doesn't encourage Trak with small groups of soulfire players or any target other than VS. For some reason, we are allowed 1 DA idol but an endless use of headling items as long as DPS is incoming. If you don't have these items you don't get VS. Hands down.

Theoretically what you are saying makes sense. Practically, it results in no successful kills.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Some of the rough edges on p99 is also due to the group homes.

There are a number of group homes that use p99 and form guilds and use eq to teach lifeskills to the residents. The group home I work with, I won't name my clients' guild, but they are real troopers if you knew where they were coming from.

These kids, some of them have been raised in closets. But now they work hard at learning people skills, teamwork, trust issues, anger management, impulse control, etc, and more than a few of even the "closet kids" went on to be well-known officers on the server, in raiding guilds to boot.

So ya gotta take into account where at least some of the p99 players are coming from in terms of development and life experiences.

So that might not be an total dickweed you are dealing with in game; it might be one of my kids, trying to learn those basic lifeskills many of us take for granted.

Just help them out and give them a fair chance, is all I ask.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of the rough edges on p99 is also due to the group homes...

wow after 5 years it all makes so much sense.

[Shjade]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So that might not be an total dickweed you are dealing with in game; it might be one of my kids, trying to learn those basic lifeskills many of us take for granted.

Just help them out and give them a fair chance, is all I ask.

I'll give them a fair chance, but fair's fair: if one of your kids is acting like a total dickweed, they're failing those basic social skills.

Lack of practice doesn't make them not-dickweeds in the interim. And how are they going to learn it's inappropriate behavior if they aren't called on it?

[Kluwen1]

GM's should just enforce a no dbag rule, if you pull some dbag shit you get a 30 day suspension. That would solve the problem of no variance b/c the high end guilds wouldn't have enough members active to raid :P

The one negative encounter I had with Lucan and a TMO member was basically saying that I didn't hold the camp because I didn't keep it cleared (Brother Jentry). While I didn't necessarily agree I avoided conflict by just randoming for camp. I kind of viewed it like Tranix camp, Tranix is 8 hours and you are required to keep the room giants down to keep it claimed so it didn't seem to unreasonable to have to keep Jentry down. Granted I knew the timer, keeping Jentry down for 8 hours would be a little ridiculous.

[Rooj]

The only way people are ever going to be satisfied is if someone makes a list of each encounter like this and the staff writes the rules for each and every one - which, while that would be nice and solve most of the disputes, is probably not going to happen.

However, I feel there was an instance where a staff member said that players could use posts in which disputes were discussed and staff members chimed in as a guide to prevent and solve future conflicts. Perhaps someone could gather all the threads like that and combine them into one and get it stickied, and then I suppose the job would already be half done. In many cases the information is already there, it's just lost in an abyss of threads.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way people are ever going to be satisfied is if someone makes a list of each encounter like this and the staff writes the rules for each and every one - which, while that would be nice and solve most of the disputes, is probably not going to happen.

However, I feel there was an instance where a staff member said that players could use posts in which disputes were discussed and staff members chimed in as a guide to prevent and solve future conflicts. Perhaps someone could gather all the threads like that and combine them into one and get it stickied, and then I suppose the job would already be half done. In many cases the information is already there, it's just lost in an abyss of threads.

Oh gawd no. Instead start charging wannabe ruleslawyers 100pp per word they type in petitions. Rules should be simple: "don't be a dick. if both sides of dispute are being dicks then both lose. if you're being like a dick and you have a history of being a dick you lose more than the dispute is about." Would knock at least 10% of the players out of the raid scene overnight.

[Swish]

For every encounter there's a huge variable... the two parties involved. How they acted, why they acted that way and what should be done probably means a different outcome in some cases.

I trust our CSR staff to give each case their best judgement without trying to further help "lawyer up" the player base.

[Kender]

soulfire being used by non paladins, although classic, is an exploit and should be stopped