deflate gate report

[Samoht]

According to the website you're defending, Roddy White was directly responsible for piping the noise. Roddy White was the one with the suspension pending but was fired instead. I'm not as familiar with Noisegate because despite all of their effort, the Falcons are still bad and were unable to capitalize on any supposed advantage provided by the extra noise, but if the report found that Roddy White was directly responsible, then Roddy White being punished was not a scapegoat. If you're proposing that someone else made the call and then blamed it on White despite the report would, sure, that would be a scapegoat. But I'm betting that that's not what happened because that's not what was in the report, and you should really let that tangent die because it really has nothing to do with Tom Brady.

Nowhere in the report on Deflategate does it imply that Kraft or Belichick were in on the deflating. If they were, I doubt they would let Tom Brady solely take all the blame. They stand to lose too much. They're going to try to bring up more and more pseudo-science to try to discredit the report. They're going to distance themselves from McNally and Jatremski. But the person directly responsible for the balls getting deflated was no one other than Tom Brady himself. I believe I properly paralleled that to Noisegate earlier when I said that White didn't install the speakers himself.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to the website you're defending, Roddy White was directly responsible for piping the noise. Roddy White was the one with the suspension pending but was fired instead. I'm not as familiar with Noisegate because despite all of their effort, the Falcons are still bad and were unable to capitalize on any supposed advantage provided by the extra noise, but if the report found that Roddy White was directly responsible, then Roddy White being punished was not a scapegoat. If you're proposing that someone else made the call and then blamed it on White despite the report would, sure, that would be a scapegoat. But I'm betting that that's not what happened because that's not what was in the report, and you should really let that tangent die because it really has nothing to do with Tom Brady.

Nowhere in the report on Deflategate does it imply that Kraft or Belichick were in on the deflating. If they were, I doubt they would let Tom Brady solely take all the blame. They stand to lose too much. They're going to try to bring up more and more pseudo-science to try to discredit the report. They're going to distance themselves from McNally and Jatremski. But the person directly responsible for the balls getting deflated was no one other than Tom Brady himself. I believe I properly paralleled that to Noisegate earlier when I said that White didn't install the speakers himself.

Well you actually tried to tie the two incidents together as far as precedent for punishment. Your argument is totally off base anyway. Unless you somehow have convinced yourself that Brady was actually deflating the balls himself, then he wasn't the person directly responsible for their deflation. He would be indirectly responsible. You haven't properly paralleled the two events because you are trying to compare Brady to White. Brady would be McCay. McNally and the other dude would be white. How do you not get this?

[Glenzig]

But you're right. The Falcons are still bad.

[Samoht]

It doesn't line up that way. At all. The owner of the Falcons admitted fault and says that it's not something he would ever do. I haven't read that report. I don't know where to find that report. But I can guarantee that it does not say that he paid the guy off to increase the volume.

Do you know what the Patriots report does say? It says that Tom Brady paid the guy off to deflate the balls. That's direct responsibility. Tom Brady may not have committed the act, but he gave the order. He made the payment. That's what makes him responsible.

[Glenzig]

Investigators said “there is less direct evidence linking Brady to tampering activities” but they said his name was a “constant reference” in the text messages between McNally and Jastremski. Brady and Jastremski spoke by phone at least twice after suspicions of ball tampering became public, according to the report. The report concluded “we believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady’s knowledge and approval.”

I'm not sure what you're reading. But this doesn't sound like what you've been talking about at all. Its the most recent story I could find.

[Samoht]

Seems like the source you're reading from doesn't understand how civil reports are written.

[Glenzig]

ABC news. NFL.com says the same thing.

[Samoht]

Directly from the report, page 128:

In addition, we believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady's knowledge and approval. Based on our interviews and assessment of McNally and Jastremski, we also do not believe that they would personally and unilaterally engage in such conduct in absence of Brady's awareness and consent. Brady himself appeared to recognize during a nationally-televised interview that it was unlikely that equipment personnel or others would deflate footballs unless they believed it was what Brady wanted.

It goes on to say that Brady denied knowing the rules (he helped write them), that he didn't know McNally (he had McNally and Jastremski in the locker room to give them gifts and sign shit for them), and that he refused to cooperate with the investigation.

You're left to interpret that based on that information that Brady is lying about his involvement and trying to cover it up.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Directly from the report, page 128:



It goes on to say that Brady denied knowing the rules (he helped write them), that he didn't know McNally (he had McNally and Jastremski in the locker room to give them gifts and sign shit for them), and that he refused to cooperate with the investigation.

You're left to interpret that based on that information that Brady is lying about his involvement and trying to cover it up.

I have never said once that he didn't know what was going on. Let me say it again. He knew. He may have even told them to do it. There is no hard evidence for that, however. So, based on what I have seen happen in other cases of similar severity (not very severe at all), the guys that actually deflated the balls would be the ones that would face the harshest penalty. Brady would be lightly punished due to his "probably having knowledge" of the situation.
I personally have no skin in this game. Not my team. I'm all for punishment, but it should fit the crime. Based on past precedence, that shouldn't be anything nearly as harsh as a lot of people are saying. That's really all I'm saying.

[Grobb 1999]

he was calling the guy on Saturday at 7 in the morning, that's all I need read as guilty as f***