Game Mechanics: Classic vs Non Classic

[Rednaros]

As having mained a necro at the high end level range since my dad passed him on to me in early kunark on rallos zek i can confirm pvp charm/fear is classic

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Rednaros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As having mained a necro at the high end level range since my dad passed him on to me in early kunark on rallos zek i can confirm pvp charm/fear is classic

I agree Fear and charm was classic in pvp. When exactly it was changed across all servers I do not remember. I also don't agree it should be implemented here.

Only that we cannot adhere to everything Classic and must accept this is no longer a valid argument to skew class balance.

[Colgate]

yeah man i'm really trying to skew class balance in favor of my monk by discussing spells like shock of lightning

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah man i'm really trying to skew class balance in favor of my monk by discussing spells like shock of lightning

No you are doing that in favor of your guild, I'm sure it would be nice to have fully spell immune clerics who resisted every interrupt that should have jammed their heals.

Surely not classic but really nice.

[Colgate]

not once did i say anything remotely close to that

all i said was that posting a bug report with zero evidence or research is stupid

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not once did i say anything remotely close to that

all i said was that posting a bug report with zero evidence or research is stupid

It's not something that needs to be researched it was literally known by all who pvp'd during that era, if it's something you need to prove than all you did was prove to everyone who did pvp then, that you didn't.

Might as well prove that spells run off mana or player's pressing space bar jump.

[worch]

Originally Posted by Syft-X [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Currently the term Classic is being used as a catch 22 to push an agenda on the forums that favors certain classes and unbalances others.

For Example:

A classic lvl of resists has been instituted that is both impractical and unbalancing to gameplay in PvP.

"Classic" is a guiding tenet of p99. The staff's approach to developing the server is a more principled one based on this tenet, not a pragmatic, class-balancing approach such as tweaking resists for balance. They only deviate from this to address issues considered game breaking, like with certain clickies.

Classes were never balanced in early everquest (pvp nor pve). Trying to balance them is misdirected.

I completely understand the desire to individually balance classes for competitive 1v1 pvp, but that doesn't align with p99's goals. That's a different game / eqemu server.

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by worch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Classic" is a guiding tenet of p99. The staff's approach to developing the server is a more principled one based on this tenet, not a pragmatic, class-balancing approach such as tweaking resists for balance. They only deviate from this to address issues considered game breaking, like with certain clickies.

Classes were never balanced in early everquest (pvp nor pve). Trying to balance them is misdirected.

I completely understand the desire to individually balance classes for competitive 1v1 pvp, but that doesn't align with p99's goals. That's a different game / eqemu server.

No ones asking for a custom system of complete balance in pvp, which is impossible to attain. just a game that actually resembles live EQ in this era. If the gear attained is 3x what was in live then the game needs to be compensated for this.

No one on live was taking Duelist BS for 1200-1700 that's a one shot for a lot of classes, while we have resist levels set to kunark when kunark was only out for 7 months. The games mechanics are off we instituted the 66% dmg reduction on spells and nukes but never put dmg caps on melees, never put AC factoring misses. The level of balance between caster dps and melee dps is huge and will get much worse in velious.

On live no one could touch a wizards burst here rogues are the highest burst dps, this is still everquest and the pvp should run like classic everquest does. You cannot say, well resists were set this way on live, when only 2% of the server back then had resists that high and now 98% of the server does, but keep caster nerfs in place while melee dmg is set to insane, this is not classic EQ this is custom rules people used the classic argument to distort and attain.

[FaithlessKR]

Originally Posted by Syft-X [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live no one could touch a wizards burst here rogues are the highest burst dps, this is still everquest and the pvp should run like classic everquest does. You cannot say, well resists were set this way on live, when only 2% of the server back then had resists that high and now 98% of the server does, but keep caster nerfs in place while melee dmg is set to insane, this is not classic EQ this is custom rules people used the classic argument to distort and attain.

On live they didn't even have a year of kunark before velious dropped. It was very easy for wizards to find targets with very subpar gear to obliterate with Sunstrike. Here we've had 3 years of gear saturation during the kunark era to actually stack resists to where draughts and sunstrike wont hit for full like they would on live against people who maybe had 60 fire and cold.

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by FaithlessKR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live they didn't even have a year of kunark before velious dropped. It was very easy for wizards to find targets with very subpar gear to obliterate with Sunstrike. Here we've had 3 years of gear saturation during the kunark era to actually stack resists to where draughts and sunstrike wont hit for full like they would on live against people who maybe had 60 fire and cold.

So what your saying is 1200-1700 backstabs are fine when that was never happening on live in kunark but sunstrikes aren't?

What class do you play again oh a rogue that's right!

Listen buddy if you want nothing but lures landing likes its luclin era thats fine but you can't keep your insane custom dmg that never matched live thats currently happening on melees.