Luclin Models Blocked

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by Telin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

1 Chat Window
1 Hot Bar
1 Spell bar
No MQ
Night Blindness
No Item linking
No Tell windows
No shadows
No Bloom
No enhanced graphics

These were all also in the games original design, yet are kept. This is classic? Luclin graphic overrides were being used since the project began, much how UI overrides were being used. Neither affected how others enjoyed the classic game play P99 offers.

And that is really the point of those using Luclin models. They want a classic "game play" experience, they do not necessarily want "classic" aesthetics. And if I might be so bold, aesthetics and game play are apples and oranges as well. Aesthetics does not implement game play; and while the developers of P99 may feel that they don't have to listen to their community, it's their community that ultimately makes their project worth while. What's the point of the project if no one plays on it?

I see no harm in updated graphics so long as the game play is the same. So rather than turning Luclin models off, make a toggle for those who prefer to keep them on, kinda how EQ2 did with the SOGA models, which looked 100x better than the original models.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These were all also in the games original design, yet are kept. This is classic?

no its not classic which is why they will change all of those things too

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no its not classic which is why they will change all of those things too

But my point being that those things that I listed were original game mechanics. They should be fixing those first before aesthetics which do not hinder anyone's game experience. As I said before, I believe most people who think of "classic" EQ simply want a "classic" game mechanics server; and better aesthetics would only serve to better the enjoyment of a classic server. Want proof? Just head over to the EQ Next forums and read all the posts on how EQ Next should go back to it's roots. They certainly imply the old game mechanics, but certainly not the dated graphics.

That said, why not just implement a /toggle switch to satisfy all who play P99? And as far as classic is concerned, EQ only became "unclassic" when they started with WoW and other modern MMO ideas like bazaar, PoK knowledge books and mercenaries. The updated graphics certainly didn't affect the game play.

[PDX0621]

Originally Posted by Telin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

It's not so much the models themselves, it's the inherent hypocrisy that's so prevalent in most peoples arguments against them. (People don't like and don't want others to use because they aren't classic, yet they themselves use and participate in many unclassic things and don't see the difference.)

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by PDX0621 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not so much the models themselves, it's the inherent hypocrisy that's so prevalent in most peoples arguments against them. (People don't like and don't want others to use because they aren't classic, yet they themselves use and participate in many unclassic things and don't see the difference.)

A lot of those things they don't have a choice.

You can't not use item links. Well you could yourself but you still have to see everyone else's.

You can not use certain hot keys and UI functions but you are at a severe disadvantage against anyone else using those hotkeys and UI functions.

I'd love to say nuke it all and go 100% classic. Or accept that Luclin and PoP were the two greatest expansions to ever grace this game (sacred be their names, Amen)

[Champion_Standing]

Pretty sure that science proved that Luclin models give you brain tumors. How can they let people use them in good conscience.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure that science proved that Luclin models give you brain tumors. How can they let people use them in good conscience.

Amen! Preach it Brother C!

[PDX0621]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of those things they don't have a choice.

You can't not use item links. Well you could yourself but you still have to see everyone else's.

You can not use certain hot keys and UI functions but you are at a severe disadvantage against anyone else using those hotkeys and UI functions.

I'd love to say nuke it all and go 100% classic. Or accept that Luclin and PoP were the two greatest expansions to ever grace this game (sacred be their names, Amen)

My comment wasn't directed at the devs, but at the players who complain about the models and want them removed, that use many unclassic features themselves and think nothing of it. I'd love to see all the custom UI's, tools, logs, and 3rd part programs many of the "It's Not Classic" people are using.

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure that science proved that Luclin models give you brain tumors. How can they let people use them in good conscience.

You know, occasionally, just occasionally, it would be refreshing to actually have a legitimate discussion, as I feel like many of us are, without people going full fucking retard at each and every conceivable opportunity they get. Alas, I'm afraid that may be asking to much, considering many in the audience.

[Lorian]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

accept that Luclin and PoP were the two greatest expansions to ever grace this game (sacred be their names, Amen)

Amen to that! Good that we agree finally!! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pookieson]

Originally Posted by Telin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

but fruit none the less.