The problem with a "zerg" guild, and the challenge before us

[Videri]

Originally Posted by FaithlessKR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The major issue people are failing to see, is that holocaust has been preparing for winter for months in advance hearing that it was coming. Getting the proper steady 50+ members online at whatever times needed to down all content, is a step they took in advance.

Every guild knows, every guild is and has been recruiting and raiding as hard as they can, and there is no reason for anyone to believe they can only enjoy Velious with <Holocaust>.

Originally Posted by FaithlessKR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spilling members out now when the officer core has put in work gearing out blue transfers for this very purpose would be counter-productive.

I'm not asking <Holocaust> officers to send members our way. I'm unabashedly inviting like-minded PvP-positive <Holocaust> members to be part of something exciting and revolutionary. :-)

Originally Posted by FaithlessKR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure why fresh's numbers took a giant hit recently, they actually would have just as much as if not more during peak times a couple weeks ago.

I'm not sure why you have this impression. In fact, forgive my suspicion, but I'm wondering if you raised this question in order to cast doubt on <Fresh>. I think we have two or three raiders on RL breaks, but <Fresh> actually has more 50+ now than ever before.

Please know that despite my suspicion about your post and my deliberate bid to recruit you and your guildmates, I respect you as a player, Salt; and you seem like one of the most intelligent posters on this forum and I appreciate your contributions to discussions.

[Stasis01]

Azrael basically has the hyena approach as most of their members give up after a loss or two and don't really play for PVP, they play for pixels like everyone else - that was historically speaking I don't know about the new guys.

Best just wait till Velious and a second guild will naturally develop based off excess content.

Will probably be Fresh? or Azrael? That will be the closest guild PVP come Velious while Holocaust snowballs into something unstoppable.

[Slowride]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azrael basically has the hyena approach as most of their members give up after a loss or two and don't really play for PVP, they play for pixels like everyone else - that was historically speaking I don't know about the new guys.

Best just wait till Velious and a second guild will naturally develop based off excess content.

Will probably be Fresh? or Azrael? That will be the closest guild PVP come Velious while Holocaust snowballs into something unstoppable.

This is true and with no further expansions....

Holo has already won this game.. Only way to stop holo would be to go into POP at this point.

However..

If a team pvp server comes out... We will see an entire new monster... Def will be a ton of fun..

[FaithlessKR]

Every guild was not recruiting when I got back to the server a month ago. Holocaust and Fresh were recruiting, with occasional bumps by Azrael who were spilling members at an alarming rate at the time. Friends had no intention of recruiting anyone, and the curse wasn't around.

Fast forward a month, Friends is attempting to recruit a few people just for pvp (not to do mobs, not the greatest selling point for most people on the server), Azrael has lost almost their entire pvp core..however still recruiting, Fresh slowed down, The Curse is advertising heavily, and Holo raised requirements.

Holocaust is unfortunately the only guild ready for velious (granted fresh is still leveling and can get there if they continue to recruit solid members). I have quite a few friends in fresh, and have been rooting for that guild to make strides. You guys have been putting in good work, I just feel like I don't see you guys around as much in the last 2 weeks as I did when I first got back.

Honestly the best thing for this server would be for a qualified leader to step up and combine the best of the remaining guilds before Velious hits in an attempt to start contesting asap. Max will not work with lite, friends will not work with lite or max, and very few people like Elemtal or Takyn.

So the rest of the server is stuck in this limbo where the majority of the server is spread between 4 guilds (and continuing to spread between those 4 guilds) that can't co-exist in harmony with one another.

Hate to say it, but wtb Nizzar or someone similar who can lead the rest of the server effectively.

P.S. The thought of dealing with Nizzar playing for 18 hours a day at the start of velious fills me with incredible trepidation.

[Ruinous]

Originally Posted by FaithlessKR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The major issue people are failing to see, is that holocaust has been preparing for winter for months in advance hearing that it was coming. Getting the proper steady 50+ members online at whatever times needed to down all content, is a step they took in advance.

Only guilds that resort to brute force require these kinds of numbers. The type of guild that sends in 60+ players on Trakanon regardless of AE's because they know it'll die in under a minute anyways.

Velious requires a little more finesse when it comes to cheal chains, mob positioning, stacking resists, working on faction and gearing out members in places like Kael and Halls of Testing prior to raiding the bigger targets. But it certainly doesn't require 50+ on at all times.

[FaithlessKR]

Originally Posted by Ruinous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only guilds that resort to brute force require these kinds of numbers. The type of guild that sends in 60+ players on Trakanon regardless of AE's because they know it'll die in under a minute anyways.

Velious requires a little more finesse when it comes to cheal chains, mob positioning, stacking resists, working on faction and gearing out members in places like Kael and Halls of Testing prior to raiding the bigger targets. But it certainly doesn't require 50+ on at all times.

Actually, if you want to do stuff like vulak, tunare, aow etc yes you will need 50+ on, if you think otherwise you are misinformed.

[Jadian]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S.: To members of <Holocaust>, I'm not mad at you for kicking too much dragon tail. How could I fault you for doing your best? Red99 is a fun competition, like a competitive sport or a board game. I look forward to some healthy competition with you, topped with good sportsdwarfship! This is to Gradner and the others like him.

Though I can't help but wonder what it would be like if some of you joined other guilds to even it out. You could be partially responsible for making Red99 a lot more fun and exciting!

Hasn't been competition since the second month of this server, when the Holobrats all quit or got banned, before coming back to reform as the zerg they claimed to want to destroy. Oh red server.

[Buhbuh]

with velious coming our level req is 55+ for high priority classes and 60 for everyone else, so that will help people a lot in the sense that they'll (new players) probably be building ties with people before they even think about Holocaust.

though you won't be able to hold their attention if you can't do much. if you can, that's cool.

[Slowride]

Even if Nizzar was to return it is to late.. Holo has the gear and the numbers now.. They won the game. Nizzar broke rules and a new empire took the reigns.

The only option for contested raid targets is a PVP Teams server that does not allow x teaming. Only then will people see how great the game can be! But I am not holding my breath for that and may go try some more casual friendly games.

I am pretty stoked about uthguard.. DAOC is one game I never got to try.

[Farzo]

Daoc goog man.


edit btw didnt mean to sound so rash in my first post @ OP