Why do people seem to hate luclin so much?

[Vaderman]

I've always been a firm believer that Luclin was largely unfinished when released and simply bandaided later.

It has the foundation of another Velious. It just seems like they never had time to incorporate quests/storylines into the multiple city factions on the moon. They built their zones, placed the mobs, made loot tables but forgot to inject life into it or something.

The only part of it that was truly done was SSRA. All of the events are awesome. Imagine if all of Luclin had this same level of effort/attention/polish. Everything else in the expansion seemed like the mobs got placed, deadline got hit so those mobs just became walls of HP.

If P99 wanted to do something really special they could finish Luclin and put it much more in line with the style of Velious.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because soe catered to the lowest denominator starting at the release of SoL

cat people were dumb
bazaar ruined trading
new graphics looked like shit
new ui was dumb
mounts were dumb
porting to nexus was dumb

Vah Shir were dumb, truth
Bazaar GREATLY enhanced trading. I hate dealing with people who are concerned about getting a cheap deal. Set price and forget it. This was so glorious. EC Tunnel is neat in that people sit there, but I absolutely hate interacting with 90% of them.
New graphics... Meh. The player models I'm not a fan of the content was good though.
New UI... Meh. People on this server use way worse UIs than the Luclin one. I will be so glad the day all your fancy UI features on this server get nuked.
Mounts, wrong. Not having to sit inbetween every cast to med was great. Especially fantastic when boxing so you are always medding characters
Porting to nexus is no different than porting to WC. Nexus ports took 30~ minutes to recycle. No different than taking a boat (which many people refuse to do here and expect a port from butcher to WC.)

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vah Shir were dumb, truth
Bazaar GREATLY enhanced trading. I hate dealing with people who are concerned about getting a cheap deal. Set price and forget it. This was so glorious. EC Tunnel is neat in that people sit there, but I absolutely hate interacting with 90% of them.
New graphics... Meh. The player models I'm not a fan of the content was good though.
New UI... Meh. People on this server use way worse UIs than the Luclin one. I will be so glad the day all your fancy UI features on this server get nuked.
Mounts, wrong. Not having to sit inbetween every cast to med was great. Especially fantastic when boxing so you are always medding characters
Porting to nexus is no different than porting to WC. Nexus ports took 30~ minutes to recycle. No different than taking a boat (which many people refuse to do here and expect a port from butcher to WC.)

Meh, EC tunnel was a special place for many people. You may not have liked it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people did love it. And they essentially gutted that special place for a lot of people in favor of AFK vendoring.

Mounts were not visible or usable unless you used the new graphics IIRC, making them ultra-dumb.

[Vaderman]

disable the afk vendoring feature and the bazaar becomes a nice hub of interactive commerce complete with tradeskill basics, banking, vendors and an arena.

[Pint]

implement mounts!

[theguyy]

Luclin and PoP are easily fixable. Every other EQ expansion.....not so much.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meh, EC tunnel was a special place for many people. You may not have liked it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people did love it. And they essentially gutted that special place for a lot of people in favor of AFK vendoring.

Mounts were not visible or usable unless you used the new graphics IIRC, making them ultra-dumb.

They were viewable with old models if you toggled on new elementals and horses. But they looked stupid with old models (which is to be expected). Just made playing a caster and boxing casters far more convenient. Plus it added a great platinum sink.

EC meh, many servers used NFP and GFay. Bazaar is almost no different. There may be a few more AFK people. But there are currently a huge number of AFKers in Tunnel.

The arguments against Bazaar AFK traders, PoK books and instancing always seem to come down to the people disliking these changes due to other players no longer being forced to interact with them. Heaven forbid dudes sell stuff without having to deal with resellers and lowballers. Or dudes having the opportunity to travel easily themselves instead of insisting on inconveniencing another player to assist them in their traveling. Or not being able to permacamp a rare spawn and be able to prevent others from attaining that item.

Player interaction isn't inhibited by these changes unless you choose to let it. No meaningful interaction ever occurs when I sell something or when I port someone. Sure sometimes I may be nice and give someone a good deal because they're new or super classic. But that guy will have forgotten our interaction the next day.

You can still auction stuff off and get ports and set up pickup groups in static content. Or you can choose to use the more convenient features. I'm a proponent of more choice and more freedom.

Ron Paul 2012.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They were viewable with old models if you toggled on new elementals and horses. But they looked stupid with old models (which is to be expected). Just made playing a caster and boxing casters far more convenient. Plus it added a great platinum sink.

EC meh, many servers used NFP and GFay. Bazaar is almost no different. There may be a few more AFK people. But there are currently a huge number of AFKers in Tunnel.

The arguments against Bazaar AFK traders, PoK books and instancing always seem to come down to the people disliking these changes due to other players no longer being forced to interact with them. Heaven forbid dudes sell stuff without having to deal with resellers and lowballers. Or dudes having the opportunity to travel easily themselves instead of insisting on inconveniencing another player to assist them in their traveling. Or not being able to permacamp a rare spawn and be able to prevent others from attaining that item.

Player interaction isn't inhibited by these changes unless you choose to let it. No meaningful interaction ever occurs when I sell something or when I port someone. Sure sometimes I may be nice and give someone a good deal because they're new or super classic. But that guy will have forgotten our interaction the next day.

You can still auction stuff off and get ports and set up pickup groups in static content. Or you can choose to use the more convenient features. I'm a proponent of more choice and more freedom.

Ron Paul 2012.

This.

Apparently people form rock-solid friendships with people that port them. We must be doing something wrong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[rekreant]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They were viewable with old models if you toggled on new elementals and horses. But they looked stupid with old models (which is to be expected). Just made playing a caster and boxing casters far more convenient. Plus it added a great platinum sink.

EC meh, many servers used NFP and GFay. Bazaar is almost no different. There may be a few more AFK people. But there are currently a huge number of AFKers in Tunnel.

The arguments against Bazaar AFK traders, PoK books and instancing always seem to come down to the people disliking these changes due to other players no longer being forced to interact with them. Heaven forbid dudes sell stuff without having to deal with resellers and lowballers. Or dudes having the opportunity to travel easily themselves instead of insisting on inconveniencing another player to assist them in their traveling. Or not being able to permacamp a rare spawn and be able to prevent others from attaining that item.

Player interaction isn't inhibited by these changes unless you choose to let it. No meaningful interaction ever occurs when I sell something or when I port someone. Sure sometimes I may be nice and give someone a good deal because they're new or super classic. But that guy will have forgotten our interaction the next day.

You can still auction stuff off and get ports and set up pickup groups in static content. Or you can choose to use the more convenient features. I'm a proponent of more choice and more freedom.

Ron Paul 2012.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mounts were not visible or usable unless you used the new graphics IIRC, making them ultra-dumb.

With old graphics, other player's mounts would appear as a naked (i.e. bikini-clad) woodelf female with a "Soandso's Mount" nameplate above the head. I'm sure the nerds who made & approved that choice thought themselves very clever.