Why do people seem to hate luclin so much?

[Daldaen]

I dunno, people love Velious.

But Velious doesn't Really have a Guk style zone other than maybe Velketors. And Velketor's is really small for what is the Guk style part. There's the spiders which are maybe 2 camps and the dogs which are maybe 2 camps.

Ssra had an equal amount of named and camps, with more quests and better/more interesting raid content. The main difference being that Ssra loot is mostly No Drop. Whereas Velks is mostly tradeable.

No Drop makes you actually have to go out and quest or group your own gear, which I'm a big proponent of. However Kunark people can just flip stuff in EC and buy up whatever they want, which is dumb and not in the spirit of classic at all.

Beyond that though, Velious doesn't have many/any named/ph camp dungeons. There are dungeons like Dragon Necropolis or Siren's Grotto or Kael, but they are all dungeons with high numbers of trash and very few named/ph camps, if any. Which about describes most Luclin dungeons.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, people love Velious.

But Velious doesn't Really have a Guk style zone other than maybe Velketors. And Velketor's is really small for what is the Guk style part. There's the spiders which are maybe 2 camps and the dogs which are maybe 2 camps.

Ssra had an equal amount of named and camps, with more quests and better/more interesting raid content. The main difference being that Ssra loot is mostly No Drop. Whereas Velks is mostly tradeable.

No Drop makes you actually have to go out and quest or group your own gear, which I'm a big proponent of. However Kunark people can just flip stuff in EC and buy up whatever they want, which is dumb and not in the spirit of classic at all.

Beyond that though, Velious doesn't have many/any named/ph camp dungeons. There are dungeons like Dragon Necropolis or Siren's Grotto or Kael, but they are all dungeons with high numbers of trash and very few named/ph camps, if any. Which about describes most Luclin dungeons.

luclin was filled with open outdoor xp zones due to increasing massive bitching of casters and groups wich did not want to risk classic dungueon death.

even nowdays the trend continues as most people still xp in kc p99 than own sebilis or hs. people rather have slow xp than risk a wipe in sebs or hs for most part.heck more people in unrest than runneye or gorge of king xorbb.

Baazar allowed u to skip the reseller part of the game , u just went to sleep and let people choose if they wanted to buy ur junk , yesterday i did a micro test in ec by selling a jade mace for 500 pps 1 min later i got 34 tells, 4 mins later dude buyed it was selling for 3k[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
haggle was very rare in old eq, people back then wanted to play the damm game 99% of the people would not sit in ec or in my case kelethin for weeks trying to sell buy just to twink a character before they went to actualy buy a pwlvl for his twink char.
Luclin changed twink forever as most dropeables had minimum lvls , it was a good thing.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Baazar allowed u to skip the reseller part of the game ...

That's simply not true. Bazaar lowered average margin but also made it much lower stress to be a reseller, no hate tells from people who felt it was immoral to sell an item for a higher price than they had charged you. At one point when I wasn't playing much but still had an active account, I did some casual reselling in the Bazaar and made ~ 40kpp over about 5 weeks time while spending less than 5 hours a week at the keyboard. I was far from alone.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's simply not true. Bazaar lowered average margin but also made it much lower stress to be a reseller, no hate tells from people who felt it was immoral to sell an item for a higher price than they had charged you. At one point when I wasn't playing much but still had an active account, I did some casual reselling in the Bazaar and made ~ 40kpp over about 5 weeks time while spending less than 5 hours a week at the keyboard. I was far from alone.

because nobody will pay attention to you trying to haggle the prize of a item and later to insult when u not lowered?.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because nobody will pay attention to you trying to haggle the prize of a item and later to insult when u not lowered?.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all sure what you're trying to say there, there was no haggling with the sellbots in the bazaar. I haven't done any reselling on p99, got my fill of that on live 15 years ago in gBay and later at Luclin bazaar. Here I made pp blacksmithing and farming easy loot in under-used zones.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, people love Velious.

But Velious doesn't Really have a Guk style zone other than maybe Velketors. And Velketor's is really small for what is the Guk style part. There's the spiders which are maybe 2 camps and the dogs which are maybe 2 camps.

Ssra had an equal amount of named and camps, with more quests and better/more interesting raid content. The main difference being that Ssra loot is mostly No Drop. Whereas Velks is mostly tradeable.

No Drop makes you actually have to go out and quest or group your own gear, which I'm a big proponent of. However Kunark people can just flip stuff in EC and buy up whatever they want, which is dumb and not in the spirit of classic at all.

Beyond that though, Velious doesn't have many/any named/ph camp dungeons. There are dungeons like Dragon Necropolis or Siren's Grotto or Kael, but they are all dungeons with high numbers of trash and very few named/ph camps, if any. Which about describes most Luclin dungeons.

Velk, Crystal Caverns, Tower of Frozen Shadows, Sirens Grotto, Dragon Necropolis all of these would fit with the Guk theme I am curious on them being left out. There were reasons to hunt in each one while you may not find them desirable or feel they were viable others enjoyed them. There were new mechanics that werent as present in Guk but some were still there and they were indoor zones. *Check They dropped loot that some wanted though you might not. *Check Until you were above the level of the mobs there you still had to group in most of them. *Check

Only real difference is they dont all have items like FBSS and some were harder due to mechanics and keys. But they dont fit the raid zone criteria unless your talking about specific bosses or higher end rares. They also had specific rares that dropped specific loot drops that may spawn in 1 or 3 spots but for most part were not zonewide drops. They were all indoor zones iirc I dont remember if you could SOW in DN but I know the others you had to do it outside.

As far as people talking about AE that was a player decided mechanic that until later wasnt something SoE went out of their way to establish since it restricts the zones to be more desirable to certain classes instead of the player base as a whole. Same with Chardok it became an ae zone later it didnt start as one when they planned it. So stating that a zone is an AE zone is an invalid arguement on both sides.

I liked Luclin and loved PoP but as the Devs and other powers that be have stated its not for them. So instead of trying to sledgehammer your way to try and force them to make it why not accept it and enjoy what we have. If you want maybe talk to them about the Velious coding and start your own server or just start a server that goes from Luclin release on. skip SoV or use Sony coding and just try to get the nostalgic feel from SoL+.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velk, Crystal Caverns, Tower of Frozen Shadows, Sirens Grotto, Dragon Necropolis all of these would fit with the Guk theme I am curious on them being left out. There were reasons to hunt in each one while you may not find them desirable or feel they were viable others enjoyed them. There were new mechanics that werent as present in Guk but some were still there and they were indoor zones. *Check They dropped loot that some wanted though you might not. *Check Until you were above the level of the mobs there you still had to group in most of them. *Check

CC, ToFS, DN, and SG weren't like what was described. They each had <5 named mobs with ph. Most only had 2-3.

Wheres zones like Sebilis, Guk, Velks have like 15-20 named/PH who have normal 20min respawns with multiple camps.

[Jimjam]

Would people prefer if the /barter function was included as well as /bazaar?

[Clark]

Luclin is amazing.

[Swish]

Make the EC tunnel area able to turn people into vendors...bazaar problem sold. If you're active you'll be pushing your wares manually <3