Class defining epic

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, i have no idea what he's talking about or where he's going with this. there's a class that can already solo without their epic, and their epic allows them to solo slightly more efficiently after level 50, and that alone makes it more class defining than other epics.

i think that deserves a solid 10th out of 14 on my list. if the only requirement is that it lets you solo easier the druid epic alone beats the shaman epic, lol.

disagree. A shaman simply cannot do what he can with his epic.

however some people only think about lvl 60 best in slot as the only factor that matters about anything.. so without a doubt a lvl 60 shaman with bis gear doesnt even need an epic anymore.

But leveling a shaman with an epic vs leveling a shama without an epic is as different as leveling a shaman vs leveling a mage or some other class.. so to me that is class defining because it drastically changes what you do with the class.

but whatever ive never played a bard with an epic.

I just disagree with yall and thats it

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

disagree. A shaman simply cannot do what he can with his epic.

wait, shaman epic is a raid buff now?

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But leveling a shaman with an epic vs leveling a shama without an epic is as different as leveling a shaman vs leveling a mage

no not really considering levelling a mage with epic pet would probably be more sweet than levelling a shaman with epic dot

[Vorkon]

While you could probably make a case for epics on an individual scale, it makes more sense to do a tierlist type thing, where Cleric/Bard/Rogue are the top 3 regardless of order.

I always felt that the effort that went into the Warrior Epic was overwhelming for what you got, due to the live timeline of expansion releases, It felt that 3-4 months into Velious, I had replaced mine with something else, Primals/Kierzens Flame/Blade of carnage/ntov 2handers. I still used the Blade of Strat for a while (proc), but this too was eventually banked. I felt that some of the other classes epics had a far greater shelf/usefulness timeline.

[citizen1080]

Anyone who has played a bard pre and post epic can tell you that its a whole new class after you get your epic. It is amazing. At one time or another I have played every class with and without epic..and bard epic is hands down the biggest game changer.

Does this mean i don't value my shamans epic? Shit no...its great for solo, meh for groups, crap for raids...but shaman is a great solo class so it is still a great epic.

But bard epic actually changes how you play. Shaman epic just gives you an extra free dot.

[Daldaen]

I will say once the patch allows offhand epic mod and Drum of the Beasts is available. Primary Drum + Secondary Epic. And Primary Silverwing Lute + Secondary Epic become the baller combinations of the day.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say once the patch allows offhand epic mod and Drum of the Beasts is available. Primary Drum + Secondary Epic. And Primary Silverwing Lute + Secondary Epic become the baller combinations of the day.

Its going to be crazy awesome. Denon's Horn of Disaster from sky is also primary and can be held with epic in offhand. That covers all of them. Other than wind which is also available already but serves no useful purpose.

[Kileras]

i started a bard because i always wanted the epic. did so before i realized ill never be able to get it because of trak drop and not being able to get in a hardcore guild because of playtime. bummersalad. time to start saving for that MQ.

[Cecily]

Rogues won't be banking their Ragebringers in Velious until they get a Primal Velium Warspear, Massive Heartwood Thorn, and Claws of Lightning or equivalent offhand. Even then the damage might be close. 40 worn ATK, aka Vengeance VIII, is pretty huge. From what I recall, it was 1500 ATK (including avatar), 41% haste, and two post epics to see a benefit from swapping out epic. I'm not entirely sure rogues can hit that point yet.

AoB x3, CoP, Avatar. Perhaps. But the vast, vast majority of rogues will never get rid of their epic.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues won't be banking their Ragebringers in Velious until they get a Primal Velium Warspear, Massive Heartwood Thorn, and Claws of Lightning or equivalent offhand. Even then the damage might be close. 40 worn ATK, aka Vengeance VIII, is pretty huge. From what I recall, it was 1500 ATK (including avatar), 41% haste, and two post epics to see a benefit from swapping out epic. I'm not entirely sure rogues can hit that point yet.

AoB x3, CoP, Avatar. Perhaps. But the vast, vast majority of rogues will never get rid of their epic.

I had a rogue with all those weapons in this exact era, and I parsed for dozens of hours. You don't need need a MHT to make epic bankable. Primal + CoL does, Vyemm + CoL does, etc. Few other combos as well.

[Freakish]

Mage epic saves you thousands of malachites. That is just...too amazing.