Boxing Rules

[canardvc]

I voted "no thanks" because :
1. The server is doing good actually without allowing 2 boxing
2. In a group of 6 people are playing the best out of their character (not that it is hard to 2 box effectively, but still)
3. Some mobs are perma camped already

@ Recyclebin : I have been LFG for 1 hour yesterday and finally decided to take my thumb out of my ass and start my own group. Had 2 people come from Faydwer over to SolA and we've been doing good even without tank. It took some time, but we made it.

[Kuldiin]

No boxing thanks.

Server working fine as it is. Plenty of other servers to go box on

[Dabamf]

Boxing creates 2 problems:
(1)If you DON'T box, you are at a a disadvantage.
(2)2 average-played characters is better than 1 really well played character. Therefore skill becomes irrelevant.

[Ghesta]

I voted no on boxing and let me explain why.

While my main is a druid and technically COULD solo for exp, I NEVER do. I hate soloing, it's boring and pointless. EQ is a MMO RPG. Massive multiplayer online.... not single player. When you get boxing you get people making groups with one or maybe two people.

I've started to get to know the community and the players around my level because I'm forced to group with them and get to know them. I've made some friends and found some people I wouldn't group with if you paid me.

If you allowed boxing I'd be rerolling a cleric / SK combo that day. It seems pointless and contrary to the feeling of the game. The idea is to recreate the FEELING of everquest in 1999 right? Back then no one boxed. There was no EQwindows, and extremely few people had the resources or the desire to play on two computers. Now a days my computer could probably run 6 instances of EQ at once.

Plus lets think about how this would affect camps. I could park a level 5 in Qhills at phyzjin or Hadden's spawn and then be off doing stuff with my druid. Holding the camp with a 2nd box while im off not feeling the pain of a camp. Then if a spawn pops, boom, gate there and then port back to the group after.

Lets keep things tight and as a single community and not allow boxing. There are plenty of other servers that do, yet P1999 always has the highest server pop every time I log in.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Fenrisulfr]

I hate boxing.

I think it's a waste.. There is a guy(or gal) that can just box ANYTHING practically except for raid mobs.. and not ever need help from someone.. That bothers me.

I like that EQ is a community where you have to team up and help one another.. I like that we ask for help to gather items for a common quest or cause.

It annoys me to no end to see someone just exp 2-3-4-5 or more characters at once and just have that many 50s or 60s whatever at once.. and doesn't take the time of day to get to know someone or have the actual STRUGGLE of the EQ.

Flat out, I would quit (again) from EQ if I had to deal with the endless boxing everyone would do.

[redghosthunter]

Well its all been said... Only thing i have to add is.

Frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

PEQ did not start out as a 20 boxing/ MQing server. I do not ever want this server to go that way. Once you have people boxing they start to complain about controls of their box. Well to fix that the boxers will get MQ. Then we will be right where PEQ is -- 20 boxers running around with secondary programs altering clients.

Ow BTW, If things arn't going well for players- Don't pick a class that cant solo. I didn't chose the class im playing cause i expected the community to lead me around and give me gear.

[Danth]

The primary benefit of multiple characters occurs once everyone is level 50 and melees are impossible to level without assistance. We've not even nearly reached that point yet. Therefore I see minimal benefit to a rule change. I echo the above sentiment: "Don't fix what isn't broken." By extension, I fully support multi-boxing once this server reaches a point where it becomes necessary. Far from being at that point yet, P1999 is still growing in population.

Most of the arguments in support seem rather short-sighted,''I want to play a group-oriented class, but still solo all the time!' or some variant therof. EQ in its current form provides plenty of options (Druid, Mage, Necromancer, etc) for people who want to predominantly solo. Groups are not hard to find if you put forth more effort than sitting halfheartedly on LFG. Requesting multi-boxing for the mere convenience of it, absent any real need, amounts to little better than wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Granted, I don't blame the folks who enjoy it--I do sympathize--but all the same, it doesn't make for a very compelling argument either.

I admit I'm gradually becoming biased against the pro-boxing crowd as a whole, due to their fundamental dishonesty dating back to this project's beta when they swore up and down that we'd have 40 or 50 people at most. Such doesn't help their cause.

In the interest of fairness, I'll state that my opinions, such as they are, are those of someone who dislikes operating multiple characters and wouldn't do it even with a rule change. I don't see 2-boxing as something that harms anyone at an individual level, nor do people who enjoy it bother me (although their arguments are growing tiring). However, I do see some negatives at the serverwide level which, as yet, are not overshadowed by the advantages of this gameplay method. That may change in the future.

EDIT: The existence of a poll seems rather pointless; I consider the outcome a foregone conclusion. A great many people within this community are so....obsessed with multiboxing, so mindlessly hateful of it, that they'll stop at no lengths to demonize and oppose it. I, personally, have even been accused of multi-boxing (what a laugh!) for no better reason than I'm a middle age adult with a wife who also likes EQ. I figure it's something of a witch-hunt mentality. I oppose such extremism and give it no weight. As such, my opinion could be considered centrist with a bias towards maintaining the status quo until such a time as change becomes necessary.

Danth

[Camerous]

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.\

That's actually a myth btw. Just saying. :-)

[gprater]

voted no.

I have boxed before I live servers in the past few years because I was so far below the average level of the server. I do admit that being able to easily transfer gear and coins would be a benefit, but anything that would further degrade the socialization (grouping) would be bad.

Even if you box , you are still soloing. I have always said (out loud too) that I cannot understand why people would play an MMO and not want to group. Its like going to great Italian restaurant and ordering a hotdog, why go in the first place. Anyway, here is my analysis of the LFG situation. Often we have all seen multiple people LFGing in chat that are in range of each other and would make a good group. Heck, there is even people who speak up and points it out, by saying something like" hey Bob, joe, martha , and Jill, you are all LFG why not start one?"

Here is why I think they dont a lot of times. I have noticed that if I say, "level 12 rogue LFG", I get fewer offers than if I say, "level 12 rogue starting an oasis group please send a tell if you want to join." When I do the latter I ALWAYS get more responses than the former. This has happened in about every MMO Ive played. In LOTRO its kind of the way most people form PUG's. 2/6 LFM..blah blah. Ive seen this used a lot here too. I feel that here, there are some people who just dont want to be the one who takes the lead and actually starts the group. Maybe people are shy of that responsibility or just are uncomfortable with the invite/grouping mechanics, so they stay silent when they see someone LFG, even though they might be in the same zone and of the correct level.

sorry for rambling...

BTW, to the folks who created this server and work hard for no money/reward....this is the most fun I have had in MMO in over 3 years.

Thank you,


Greg

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Fenrisulfr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's a waste.. There is a guy(or gal) that can just box ANYTHING practically except for raid mobs.. and not ever need help from someone.. That bothers me.

They can already do this. They're called enchanters [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]