An alternative to variance

[Bolix]

we must have the bug bad if we are happy to poopsock like this!

Options:
1. GM enforced rotations
2. double (or triple) the number of boss mobs
3. instanced raid zones (/duck the wave of abuse)
4. hope that velious makes everything better
5. behave like civilized adults and come to an agreement on how we can share


Do we actually enjoy this? Camping out in zones, tracking mobs, batphones, poopsocking to the max, lawyerquest, coh-ducking?

Racing and being competitive is fine, I get it. But 100+ people in KC waiting for a spawn is just silly.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

replace all raid spawns with completely random earthquakes that may or may not ever happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do it. Virtually everyone agrees this is when they have the most fun raiding.

[Crom]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

replace all raid spawns with completely random earthquakes that may or may not ever happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/this!

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

replace all raid spawns with completely random earthquakes that may or may not ever happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand why some people glorify this option, but reality is, it will just turn into a 24/7 sock. Guilds that want to see mobs will have to ask their members to camp out on certain raid spawns all the time, and the guilds where people have multiple level 60s will be able to 24/7 sock multiple spawns at the same time, whilst guilds where people are still working on leveling/gearing their characters are out of the game.
With a 16 hour window, even the casualest guilds have a chance to plan for a window and attempt the mob - if we have no idea when the mobs spawn, it'll just be even crazier.

Reality is, that kind of poopsocking happens because guilds choose to do it - they clearly have members that are willing to spend their time on it - hats off to them. We used to have a good class system that seperated those that were wiling to do it, and those that wanted to play the game differently - lets focus on fixing that so it once again denotes that difference, and don't try to fix something, that for the poeple who want this playstyle, is not broken.

[Brocode]

Want to end Socking? Random Spawns with no fixed timers, aka, people cant sock what they dont know when it will happen, but tracking would increase.

Want to end tracking? Make FFA spawn on any dungeon of the game.

Want to make it challengeful? Make different classes of Spawn, not only by guild but first hours can be stronger/weaker than normal.


Just food for thoughts, its not about classic anymore, its about making the raid scene better for the server. And there might be a lot of ideas for the raid enviroment, top guilds will always try to exploit the most of it.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

replace all raid spawns with completely random earthquakes that may or may not ever happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this but throw in a Variance of +/-12 hrs then have everything repop at once.

[khanable]

Been a fan of the removal/massive reduction of variance for a long time now.

+/-30 minutes is sufficient, still need a degree of randomness in there

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any good ideas?

Yes. Obviously, the universal answer is to implement Defiant gear.

Defiant gear dropping from regular mobs and outclassing current VP gear will render current gear useless, thus eliminating the need for raiding.

Let's be honest here. People don't raid because they like it. They raid for the loot. Take away the loot, you take away the main reason for raiding.

That way, when Velious is going to be over and p99 will be in Luclin/PoP, everyone will have the best gear in the game, making it easier to play the game as it is meant to be played; groups and friendships instead of everyone calling each other ******s and faggots.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. Obviously, the universal answer is to implement Defiant gear.

Defiant gear dropping from regular mobs and outclassing current VP gear will render current gear useless, thus eliminating the need for raiding.

Let's be honest here. People don't raid because they like it. They raid for the loot. Take away the loot, you take away the main reason for raiding.

That way, when Velious is going to be over and p99 will be in Luclin/PoP, everyone will have the best gear in the game, making it easier to play the game as it is meant to be played; groups and friendships instead of everyone calling each other ******s and faggots.

Nope. People would still need to make their epeen large so they would have to take down those pixeled dragons to make themselves feel better.

[ArumTP]

1/3 pre-spawn trash talking, 1/3 fte spamming, 1/3 trash talking when you get it. That is what raiding is. Sometimes you actually will get some loot you want.