Shaman race debate - Page 9

Synthlol · #1 03-29-2015, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal Stun Immunity is pretty much a waste since it does nothing to keep your spells from being interrupted. I play an Ogre and I know this to be true.

Here it is claimed that although ogres are immune to the stun when bashed in the face, a landed bash still causes 100% chance of spell interrupt.

In other words, he claims that even if it didn't have a stun component, bash would stop spell casts every time it lands.

I'd like to know how he knows this.

Darkatar · #2 03-29-2015, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here it is claimed that although ogres are immune to the stun when bashed in the face, a landed bash still causes 100% chance of spell interrupt.

In other words, he claims that even if it didn't have a stun component, bash would stop spell casts every time it lands.

I'd like to know how he knows this.

I'm asssuming he played an ogre to level 10 and had 5 skill in channeling, and failed his spell every time he got bashed because his channeling sucked.

I'm often able to cast through 2-3 unslowed mobs, even without my back on the wall.

Synthlol · #3 03-29-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm asssuming he played an ogre to level 10 and had 5 skill in channeling, and failed his spell every time he got bashed because his channeling sucked.

I'm often able to cast through 2-3 unslowed mobs, even without my back on the wall.

As suspected, Malrubius has no idea what he is talking about, and people who say FSI is meaningless are simply trying to rationalize their lack of it.

Thank you Urrsa.

Darkatar · #4 03-29-2015, 11:11 PM

My pleasure.

Here's a few samples:

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[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You haven't recovered yet...
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast hits YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:16 2014] You resist the Disease Cloud spell!
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 17:58:01 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:05 2014] A scorn banshee hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:06 2014] A scorn banshee bashes YOU for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 18:10:38 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] You have healed Ginfizzie for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] You begin casting Malo.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] King Tranix pet hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix pet bashes YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] You feel your lifeforce drain away. You have taken 27 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 59 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:05 2014] King Tranix bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 124 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 41 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix pet tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] Urrsa has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:11:42 2014] You begin casting Paralyzing Earth.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior bashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Your Paralyzing Earth spell has worn off.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 74 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior kicks YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:45 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:42 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 103 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A loathling lich slices YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] You resist the Gravity Flux spell!
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 29 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 111 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Sat Feb 28 13:16:10 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav kicks YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 200 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 144 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 176 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 160 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You haven't recovered yet...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You can't use that command right now...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight bashes YOU for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] Your legs feel weak.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:10 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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Edit: It's worth noting any of these regular melee attacks could have also been stuns (kicks too)

Clark · #5 03-30-2015, 12:36 AM

Ogre. Troll isn't as bad PVE, however, Troll is horrible for pvp with the terrible innate fire resist.

Darkatar · #6 03-30-2015, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre. Troll isn't as bad PVE, however, Troll is horrible for pvp with the terrible innate fire resist.

I've played troll and ogre to >lv50 and will never roll a troll or iksar shaman for PVE. the regen seems frivolous when you can torp for 300/tic and gain mana. (granted that is late-game, but I enjoy the late-game)

Clark · #7 03-30-2015, 12:42 AM

For sure Torpor is where it's at. If Ogre wasn't a choice though I'd pick Troll.

skorge · #8 03-30-2015, 07:07 AM

Troll. This is from a guy who has owned a level 60 barb, ogre and troll shaman here on P99.

From my post a year ago:

I guess it depends on the player. As a 60 ogre shaman I've only had frontal stun immunity put to use a very small handful of times.

I personally value regen higher, because the regen is ALWAYS in effect. During the course of your ogre's playtime, the frontal stun immunity is being put to use about 0.01% of your playtime.

Even while playing on the Red server did I rarely see my frontal stun immunity put to use (one time I got a gate off vs 3 players because of it, wow lol).

Remember, a troll won the Best of the Best here. Don't under estimate regen.

Rodcet · #9 03-30-2015, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troll. This is from a guy who has owned a level 60 barb, ogre and troll shaman here on P99.

From my post a year ago:

I guess it depends on the player. As a 60 ogre shaman I've only had frontal stun immunity put to use a very small handful of times.

I personally value regen higher, because the regen is ALWAYS in effect. During the course of your ogre's playtime, the frontal stun immunity is being put to use about 0.01% of your playtime.

Even while playing on the Red server did I rarely see my frontal stun immunity put to use (one time I got a gate off vs 3 players because of it, wow lol).

Remember, a troll won the Best of the Best here. Don't under estimate regen.

I would bet that the person who won best of the best would've won if he were an ogre as well.

theaetatus · #10 03-30-2015, 07:40 AM

Stun immunity is just so good that you'd be foolish to pick anything other than Ogre if you're min/maxing. When the shit hits the fan or you're breaking a camp, stun immunity saves you so many more hp than 1 hp/tick (up to 50) or 4-7 hp/tick (51-59) ever will.

You should min/max for difficult situations, not easy ones. Sure, if you're sitting back buffing people and having an easy time, that extra 70ish hp per minute will be a slight advantage but these aren't the situations to min/max for.

Ogre all the way unless you really can't handle the character models.