Shaman race debate

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, if you think that ogre shaman can solo mobs that trolls/barbs/iks can't then you are dead wrong. That frontal stun immunity racial ogres have is just "nice" to have, that is all. Regen is also "nice" to have. Which one do you want? One that is ALWAYS in effect or one that is very rarely in effect?

I love it... No-one ever claims this but it's always the reply when people disagree with ogres being on top.

I'll take the racial ability that works best when doing tougher content, not the ability that works best when doing easy stuff, because, easy stuff is always easy.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love it... No-one ever claims this but it's always the reply when people disagree with ogres being on top.

At this point, anyone who claims that the optimal race for a shaman (in terms of high-end solo content) is not ogre is simply attempting to rationalize not choosing an ogre.

Misrepresenting the opposing argument is just one of the ways they accomplish this.

[Brut]

If your class can pick Ogre as race, should be Ogre. /nod

[Hawala]

Well, my two cents...

I'm an ogre and I went ALL AC. I use Totemic/JB/Targishin's Bone Mask etc. Key items I bought: FBSS, JBB, Granite Face Grinder, of course buy a Fungi Tunic if you can.

Even though my wisdom isn't great, I can still solo meleeing at lvl 50.


Buff yourself and your pet up, chloro, haste, stats, and talisman. Slow the mob, don't even bother dotting. Melee to death.

If you run low on HP, root it and rub your JBB.


Alternatively, spam rub your JBB in melee range, when you are between casts you'll hit for 120. In this case, ditch the FBSS and get a belt with more AC on it because you'll only be swinging your hammer every 8 seconds.

Another idea I've toyed around with is rerolling a Barbarian, using the same tactics and equipping a Barbarian Spiritist's Hammer for the proc. In this case rubbing your JBB and relying on the exact same proc from your hammer.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this thread fails to address the fact that anything other than barbarian will suffer irreparable damage to their self esteem due the likely housands of hours spent ugly ^^

Now there's an argument I can get behind. And then with Polar Bear form in Velious ...

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another idea I've toyed around with is rerolling a Barbarian, using the same tactics and equipping a Barbarian Spiritist's Hammer for the proc. In this case rubbing your JBB and relying on the exact same proc from your hammer.

I've done just that, and while it's fun I can promise the BSH is underwhelming. Not that it sucks, but when you combine it with the JBB ... well the JBB gives you like 6-10 Winter's Roars per fight (depending on what you fight) while the BSH gives maybe 1-2. So the BSH is still useful, but at best its 1/5 as useful as the JBB.

IMHO the BSH is way cooler to have from 30 to 45, as those 1-2 Winter's Roars have a much bigger effect at those levels (and you don't have the JBB yet to make it seem inferior). It's also not a bad weapon from 1-30 either, if you're just looking for a good twink weapon for a Barb shaman.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Vah Shir shamans are the best, imo, because it means you're in Luclin and the game is infinitely more fun from Luclin until PoP.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vah Shir shamans are the best, imo, because it means you're in Luclin and the game is infinitely more fun from Luclin until PoP.

LOL what racials did the Vah Shir even get? I vaguely remember something about being able to fall a bit and not get hurt; was there anything else?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL what racials did the Vah Shir even get? I vaguely remember something about being able to fall a bit and not get hurt; was there anything else?

Apart from looking fantastic and be considered a "good" race? No.

They were considered a large race too, so kitties ate a lot of kibbles :/

EDIT: They can't slam either, but Luclin.

[DrKvothe]

HP regen doesn't just help with "easy" situations pre-60, it helps with hard ones. Try solo'ing HS North or SolB imps without any racial regen or fungi; you're going to have a really tough time keeping your mana up to break rooms and keep up with spawns. Troll regen is a huge blessing for things like this.

Stop marginalizing the difficulty of getting to 60 and buying torpor. It's not easy and most people never get there. Once you do get there, there's not a single torpor shaman on this server that doesn't already feel like a god, and if they're not able to solo WW dragons on beta it's because of tactics and skill, not racial bonus.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HP regen doesn't just help with "easy" situations pre-60, it helps with hard ones. Try solo'ing HS North or SolB imps without any racial regen or fungi; you're going to have a really tough time keeping your mana up to break rooms and keep up with spawns. Troll regen is a huge blessing for things like this.

Stop marginalizing the difficulty of getting to 60 and buying torpor. It's not easy and most people never get there. Once you do get there, there's not a single torpor shaman on this server that doesn't already feel like a god, and if they're not able to solo WW dragons on beta it's because of tactics and skill, not racial bonus.

Getting to 60 with a shaman is Eeeeeeeeez